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Falo, Umu & Julmisse.

goalline said:
@SupremeBuffalo

A few posts back you complained about your tuition dollars supporting AJ. None of the athlete scholarships come from your tuition. The AD pays scholarships out of the PAC 12 TV rights deals and ticket sales. Overall, the AD tries to be self supporting despite paying all scholarships at out of state rates back to the school. Football and basketball fund the rest of the department. Some years they've had to get a loan from the school, but usually it's a net gain for CU.
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Completely correct, and to expand on this:

As you stated the AD pays all scholarships at out of state rates even though a large number of the athletes, especially in non-revenue sports, come from in Colorado. In addition the athletic department pays the university for the use of university facilities and general operating expenses in excess of actual cost. Even in years that the official number has the AD losing money the university comes out ahead.

None of this takes into account the very clear connection between athletic success and non-athletic donations. It also doesn't account for the impact of athletics, especially football in promoting the university nationally. Even a rough attempt to quantify this impact gives figures that the school could never fund on it's own.
 
Sorry, man. This is your worst argument. As a freshman, AJ was a rotation/nickle/dime player with guys currently in the NFL and another guy who’ll be a first round pick.

From a football standpoint, he should definitely be with the team. It’ll be a deep secondary, but he’s talented enough to be our number one corner. Adding him and getting him back will really make the money gang even stronger.

NeverGiveIn said:
Ah, you’re right, my mistake.

I don’t think he’s that “bad”, I’m sure he’s an okay dude. But from a football perspective, the benefits don’t strike me as outweighing the mounting risks.
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leftybuff said:
In addition to the other comments about this post, may I suggest you refrain from mixing metaphors in the future? We are trying to keep the standards up here, you know.

One either shoots the breeze, or breaks wind...
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How about one who breaks wind while shooting the breeze? Does one make the other less significant, less enjoyable? We just want to make sure only one of them includes a juicy tidbit.
 
manhattanbuf said:
Sorry, man. This is your worst argument. As a freshman, AJ was a rotation/nickle/dime player with guys currently in the NFL and another guy who’ll be a first round pick.

From a football standpoint, he should definitely be with the team. It’ll be a deep secondary, but he’s talented enough to be our number one corner. Adding him and getting him back will really make the money gang even stronger.
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I don't think his value as a football player should be much of a factor regarding whether or not he is allowed back. He was good enough to earn a scholarship. Personal redemption and second (or third) chances should be about helping people find their way, not whether a young man is likely to start or not.
 
Once again it helps a lot to look at how good these kids are outside of the incidencts. Anthony was widely regarded as a really good kid, a great student and an example for other players to look up to. Obviously the domestic violence case was a pretty big misunderstanding where the girl created a situation and AJ didn’t handle it as well as he could.

Now there is no excuse for what he did when he got in his car accident. I think it was a situation where he was feeling the pressure of trying to stay out of trouble to get back on he team and freaked out but he has been punished and dealt with hose actions and should be let back if mac thinks so.
 
leftybuff said:
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leftybuff said:
In addition to the other comments about this post, may I suggest you refrain from mixing metaphors in the future? We are trying to keep the standards up here, you know.

One either shoots the breeze, or breaks wind...
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I also like to order Kow pung chicken occasionally. My mind loves to mix and match haha. Im sure my posts will be littered with mixed metaphor, but hey you got the point!
 
I don't know exactly what happened in the Falo situations, the Umu incident or the Julmisse incidents.

From a legal standpoint, Julmisse's were obviously the most serious. That's also true from a PR standpoint since one of the incidents involved violence against a woman to some degree.

That brings up a lot of questions on perception and the court of public opinion that could decide futures.

However, I did want to comment from another perspective. I talk to a number of people who are in or around the program and know the young men who are on the team.

The reports I have heard from them is that of all of them believe Julmisse is the least likely to ever sniff trouble again. All reports are that he's not a violent personality and that he's not a trouble maker. Everyone seems confused at how a guy like that ended up in the run of trouble he put himself in.

As a Boulder resident who highly values the safety of my wife and child, my opinion is that I don't have anything more to worry about with Julmisse than I do with the average young man of that age.
 
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SupremeBuffalo said:
How do you know what happened? That is a very bold thing to say regarding this incident. My point of referencing the other two was they were both major news and it was in the DV column, there was significant backlash in the national media in different ways regarding each case (Hardy anger over the second chance and Zeke over the questionable nature of the incident). The issue with players like this is there is a monumental risk and not much to gain other than maybe a few good plays on defense. The players on our team represent our school on a national level. I would much rather see that scholarship given to another player who didn't throw away his chance. This is too hot of a subject for CU to decide to hang around on.

Also, thrilled to learn my tuition doesn't fund scholarships. That was a general perception among many of the fans I was around this year. I am sure Julmisse is a normal human with both good and bad qualities, being roughly the same age I understand mistakes are made and I hope he figures it all out. My entire thesis here is CU should not give THIS guy a second chance based off the violent tendencies that he displayed in two consecutive incidents. To speculate and say the that the women had a broken heart and was crazy is a whole different issue that I won't even touch on. I referenced the police report and stated my opinion based off what was public record from the incident. We just signed a bunch of amazingly talented young CBs, I would rather see them get play time and not have our locker room poisoned by a character. I think MM should set a precedent that these types of issues will not be tolerated.

Im all for AJ getting a second chance, I just don't want it to be at my school. I can have an opinion. Also, this account name is a spinoff of some random instagram account thats popular due to the brand Supreme, relax. I'm not some CU football guru nor have I claimed to be. If you feel so strongly about AJ, explain to me why you would want that type of presence on a college campus. You watch the games and post online, I go to the school itself and don't want to have that associated with it. Don't attack me so personally over some opinion I made over not wanting this guy at my school.
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How about not implying everyone else's opinion is worthless either. Many of the posters on this site are alums, it is their school too.
 
SupremeBuffalo said:
Never implied that anywhere. Implied many of you are not physically at the school. For a moderator you seem to like to stoke the fire hahah. I think you guys know your stuff and this site is nice, I have learned more in the past two weeks about CU football then I ever would have. My point wasn't you're all wrong and I'm right, my opinion is actually changing slightly with all of the new information.
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"You guys watch games and post online, I go to the school itself and don't want to have to be associated with it."

You should probably realize a lot of people on this site have a stake in how these situations are dealt with, even without being on campus.
 
SupremeBuffalo said:
How do you know what happened? That is a very bold thing to say regarding this incident. My point of referencing the other two was they were both major news and it was in the DV column, there was significant backlash in the national media in different ways regarding each case (Hardy anger over the second chance and Zeke over the questionable nature of the incident). The issue with players like this is there is a monumental risk and not much to gain other than maybe a few good plays on defense. The players on our team represent our school on a national level. I would much rather see that scholarship given to another player who didn't throw away his chance. This is too hot of a subject for CU to decide to hang around on.

Also, thrilled to learn my tuition doesn't fund scholarships. That was a general perception among many of the fans I was around this year. I am sure Julmisse is a normal human with both good and bad qualities, being roughly the same age I understand mistakes are made and I hope he figures it all out. My entire thesis here is CU should not give THIS guy a second chance based off the violent tendencies that he displayed in two consecutive incidents. To speculate and say the that the women had a broken heart and was crazy is a whole different issue that I won't even touch on. I referenced the police report and stated my opinion based off what was public record from the incident. We just signed a bunch of amazingly talented young CBs, I would rather see them get play time and not have our locker room poisoned by a character. I think MM should set a precedent that these types of issues will not be tolerated.

Im all for AJ getting a second chance, I just don't want it to be at my school. I can have an opinion. Also, this account name is a spinoff of some random instagram account thats popular due to the brand Supreme, relax. I'm not some CU football guru nor have I claimed to be. If you feel so strongly about AJ, explain to me why you would want that type of presence on a college campus. You watch the games and post online, I go to the school itself and don't want to have that associated with it. Don't attack me so personally over some opinion I made over not wanting this guy at my school.
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Lol.

“That’s bold, how do you know what happened?”

“I don’t want him poisoning the locker room with his character issues and violent tendencies. I know this because I read the police report and everything in it is factual and makes me an expert.”

You question one posters right to an opinion but go on to talk about the situation as if you were there.

You might just have to accept people get second chances in life and not everything you read about them is true. If the DA decided probabtion would suffice and MM decided that he was sorry and bettering himself I’m fine with him having a chance to prove that.
 
SupremeBuffalo said:
How do you know what happened? That is a very bold thing to say regarding this incident. My point of referencing the other two was they were both major news and it was in the DV column, there was significant backlash in the national media in different ways regarding each case (Hardy anger over the second chance and Zeke over the questionable nature of the incident). The issue with players like this is there is a monumental risk and not much to gain other than maybe a few good plays on defense. The players on our team represent our school on a national level. I would much rather see that scholarship given to another player who didn't throw away his chance. This is too hot of a subject for CU to decide to hang around on.

Also, thrilled to learn my tuition doesn't fund scholarships. That was a general perception among many of the fans I was around this year. I am sure Julmisse is a normal human with both good and bad qualities, being roughly the same age I understand mistakes are made and I hope he figures it all out. My entire thesis here is CU should not give THIS guy a second chance based off the violent tendencies that he displayed in two consecutive incidents. To speculate and say the that the women had a broken heart and was crazy is a whole different issue that I won't even touch on. I referenced the police report and stated my opinion based off what was public record from the incident. We just signed a bunch of amazingly talented young CBs, I would rather see them get play time and not have our locker room poisoned by a character. I think MM should set a precedent that these types of issues will not be tolerated.

Im all for AJ getting a second chance, I just don't want it to be at my school. I can have an opinion. Also, this account name is a spinoff of some random instagram account thats popular due to the brand Supreme, relax. I'm not some CU football guru nor have I claimed to be. If you feel so strongly about AJ, explain to me why you would want that type of presence on a college campus. You watch the games and post online, I go to the school itself and don't want to have that associated with it. Don't attack me so personally over some opinion I made over not wanting this guy at my school.
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Because Ant is a good guy. One of the best on the team and he made one stupid mistake with the car accident, but the DV is a non-issue. Have you ever met or talked with Julmisse?
 
SupremeBuffalo said:
Dude, they have witnesses. Were you one of them or something? If he hadn't done any of it, there wouldn't be a plea deal. Maybe it was over exaggerated, who knows, but either way there were some serious issues going on with this kid and he injured a women to the point that the cops were contacted. This is a big issue ie. Greg Hardy, Ezekiel Elliot (look what happened to him with NO conviction.) I just want cu to steer clear. Not sure how that makes me a know it all for expressing my opinion and call me a fool for not wanting this guy all you want.
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For the love of god.

When I was 19 I locked my GF outside (who willingly went outside to smoke mind you) on an apartment balcony (4th floor) because she attacked me for breaking up with her. I told her to calm down and she immediately called the cops. I was arrested, taken to jail, given DV classes, a deferred judgment and probation.

If you actually think every time DV is charged, an arrest is made or the cops come that it’s a very serious situation, you’re sadly mistaken. I was scratched all over my face and bleeding and she was stumbling down drunk. I was charged with “false imprisonment” for locking a door for 5 minutes. But just like julmisse I just let it go and did what I had to do and they dropped all the charges and it’s in the past.

I can assure you I didn’t harm anyone while I was at CU even though I was a terrible, no good, “DV offender.”
 
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I think you’re taking this posting out of context from the thread/discussion with supremebuffalo. I was responding to his argument, which stated that AJ isn’t worth reinstating “from a football perspective.” From a solely football standpoint, reinstating AJ is a no brainer.

However...

As I’ve contended consistently in my prior postings, AJ is on his final chance. If he redeems himself and is a good citizen, he should play. If not, he should be gone.

The Ogre said:
I don't think his value as a football player should be much of a factor regarding whether or not he is allowed back. He was good enough to earn a scholarship. Personal redemption and second (or third) chances should be about helping people find their way, not whether a young man is likely to start or not.
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manhattanbuf said:
I think you’re taking this posting out of context from the thread/discussion with supremebuffalo. I was responding to his argument, which stated that AJ isn’t worth reinstating “from a football perspective.” From a solely football standpoint, reinstating AJ is a no brainer.

However...

As I’ve contended consistently in my prior postings, AJ is on his final chance. If he redeems himself and is a good citizen, he should play. If not, he should be gone.
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Yeah, I considered not quoting you because it didn't really seem you were making that argument, but I did for context.
 
Duff Man said:
"You guys watch games and post online, I go to the school itself and don't want to have to be associated with it."

You should probably realize a lot of people on this site have a stake in how these situations are dealt with, even without being on campus.
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Yea I am referencing the fact that I personally just don't want that reputation representing OUR school. I did not mean to put down others opinions, so if I did in my haste I apologize. And thats interesting that people on this site have a stake in how these situations are dealt with. I hope that he is given a path for a second chance and that he takes full advantage. I just could go without seeing him in a CU uniform. I am sorry if that opinion offends you or if my argument wasn't 100%, but that is how I feel. Coming from a massive buff fan who just wants this team to win and be classy. It is my understanding that during the 90s our team had a bad reputation due to a lot of arrests. I just would not like that to be emulated and my thought was set the precedent now.

Now I'm off this topic.
 
There appears to be a pretty substantial gap between what he was charged with and what he was convicted of. If all you go by is the police report, you’re missing about 80% of the actual story, IMO.
 
Give me a break - other than a feeling of moral superiority, how does the behavior of a football player actually affect the student body? I went to CU during the Lisa Simpson/recruiting scandal and never once felt I was "associated" with that or felt it negatively affected my reputation.

In fact, this is a good life lesson for current students. It teaches them that life isn't fair and people are treated differently. People in life with unique talents are afforded more mistakes than the average person - get used to it.
 
If the university would allow any other student with the same issues remain/return to the school, then an athlete should be able to remain/return to the school. At that point, it is a matter of the club he belongs to. If the president of the chess club allows him to compete, he competes. If the HC of the football team allows him to compete, he competes. Not very complicated really.

If there are "risks," that is what leaders do... if HCMM believes that the reward (for the team and the individual) is worth the risk, give the dude a chance to be better.
 
SupremeBuffalo said:
Yea I am referencing the fact that I personally just don't want that reputation representing OUR school. I did not mean to put down others opinions, so if I did in my haste I apologize. And thats interesting that people on this site have a stake in how these situations are dealt with. I hope that he is given a path for a second chance and that he takes full advantage. I just could go without seeing him in a CU uniform. I am sorry if that opinion offends you or if my argument wasn't 100%, but that is how I feel. Coming from a massive buff fan who just wants this team to win and be classy. It is my understanding that during the 90s our team had a bad reputation due to a lot of arrests. I just would not like that to be emulated and my thought was set the precedent now.

Now I'm off this topic.
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Don't think you understand how college football works...
 
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