This begins to look a lot like “The Prisoner’s Dilemma.” I wonder if anyone in CU Admin understands (or even considers) “game theory.”
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Top 6 from P10, Big12 and ACC join to make 18 team conference that's just as good as SEC and B1G in football and far and away the best MBB conference. True coast to coast league with teams in every time zone.
Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, UA, ASU
Oklahoma State, TCU, Houston, Baylor, KU, Cincinnati
Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, Duke, Virginia
The wild card is Notre Dame. Forde was talking on his podcast today about how ND is less concerned with the $$ aspect and more concerned with maintaining a national brand that is more than just another "big stadium midwest football program". They want to keep their program completely national. In this scenario, they would have just that, along with keeping many ACC ties.
I know this will never happen, but tell me that's not a $1.5B/year athletic conference just like B1G and SEC are and probably more if you include Notre Dame. Sell the rights to Apple, Amazon, NBC and/or CBS.
Isn’t that essentially what has happened?
I think Notre Dame is playing this wonderfully. Their recent success is not bad but they have been far from dominant. Yet, they are the most coveted team in the nation for these conferences. Just brilliant.
Draw up the contracts
I will say, 2 schools from Arizona and none from CA might be a bit iffy. I know nobody goes to Furd's games, but they do apparently draw a bit on the TV
And UO/UW/UNC/UVA/Clemson all probably still dip for B1G/SEC offers, but it could be fun for awhile
241Volcanos
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Doing something with ACC 100x more exciting than Big12.
It all depends on the media revenue. If they are able to lure ND into that conference and the money is on par or better than B1G/SEC, I don't understand why there'd be incentive to leave. Money is the only reason SC and UCLA left the P12.
You would then have a top 6 brands in each of the three conferences of
ND, Clemson, Miami, FSU, Oregon and Washington/UNC
Ohio State, USC, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State
Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Texas, LSU, OU
OK, maybe the SEC's top 6 are clearly the best, but it's all fairly comparable
Only if it's a full fledged conference merger with new, long term GOR, one conference network, etc. None of this "scheduling alliance" bull****.
I almost think independence would be better for UO and UW than remaining in a Pac6 or Pac6+ some G5’s. Oregon has to be worth more per year than what they would get having to split the media pie with OSU, Wazzu, Cal, etc.
Go independent for a couple years and see what their options are in 2025.
Who is picking up their games as an independent? Oregon might be one thing because of Nike, but what network is giving Washington anything on their own?
Oregon seems like the perfect Independent right now
That would continue to intrigue recruits,
Could get all your games on like Hulu or something like that
with Phil's money and guidance, they would be prepared to go wherever they want to
I don’t know but would they stand to make more per year on a deal shared with OSU, WSU, Cal, and Stanford? I just figure a 2 year, $50M deal for UW might be more likely than a 2 year $250M deal for the 5 of them.
it's probably more about their bottom 10 at that point, no? That's probably when TV people say, you know these games with Indiana and Rutgers are really not drawing eyeballs. What if you booted them out and added UVA/UNC or UO/UW
Vic Victory
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I like this but it would have to include more ACC teams to capture bigger markets. Per Canzano:
“Bob Thompson, the former president of Fox Sports Networks, told me on Tuesday that a potential Pac-12 partnership with the ACC captures TV markets that include 27.7 million households. By comparison, the Big 12 television markets have only 14 million households.
“If you put the geography aside, the ACC markets are just better,” Thompson said.
There are 10 ACC markets with more than 1 million television households each. They are: New York, Boston, Atlanta, Washington, D.C., Tampa, Miami, Orlando, Charlotte, Pittsburgh and Raleigh. The Big 12 footprint has only four TV markets (Dallas, Washington, D.C., Houston and St. Louis) with more than a million households.”
Well, yes, you're right on that. The first conference to kick out the bottom feeders and replacing them with elite programs from other conferences will probably win realignment. I am honestly shocked that the B1G and SEC aren't doing that right now, tbh
Vic Victory
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Battle btw Flugaur vs MHVer who wins?
According to a person at CU who should know, here were his odds as of last night of the outcome of realignment talks for CU:
1) Stay in PAC 12 in some type of TBD arrangement - 60%
2) Back to the Big 12 - 30%
3) Failure on both fronts and forced to move to the Mtn West or similar arrangement - 10%
This, of course, can change very quickly, but the AD, BOR and key faculty reps all prefer option 1 at this point (what a shock!)
1) Stay in PAC 12 in some type of TBD arrangement - 60%
2) Back to the Big 12 - 30%
3) Failure on both fronts and forced to move to the Mtn West or similar arrangement - 10%
This, of course, can change very quickly, but the AD, BOR and key faculty reps all prefer option 1 at this point (what a shock!)
Yeah I wonder if they legally can? That seems like the clear easy play. Or just form something new? But maybe they don't want to be the ones to really kill off college football
Word is that RG negotiated zero buyout if the Pac12 kicked CU out but we’d have to repay every dollar we have earned the last 10 years plus 50% of any future revenues if CU elects to leave.
Thisuniversityisf’ed!
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Oh I’m sure the regents we have would love nothing more than not worrying about athletics and paying out huge contracts to coaches. Until someone reminds them of how the football funds the university and they inevitably have to accept it.
They’re snoozing up in Fort Fun.
BatBuff
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Not sure if this is fake news, but they do have a lot of followers.
You know, it’s funny. When Jack Kroll was first elected to the BoR, he talked a lot about stupid **** like using coaches salaries to cure cancer. By the time he was done, it was obvious somebody had pulled him aside and made it pretty clear to him how important the AD is to the CU brand. He didn’t grandstand too much the last couple years. I don’t think the Regents are nearly the impediment we like to paint them as. They’re neither great nor awful. They just are. I’m far, far more concerned about the dip**** who currently occupies the office of CU-Boulder Chancellor than I am about any of the Regents.
Thisuniversityisf’ed!
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I can agree with that. The reputation is set though…look at Tucker. We can go back forever on that but he had issues with getting what he wanted so he fled. If CU gave him what he has in the B1G we wouldn’t be having this discussion and we might have been invited to the party. Im probably day dreaming on that though.
GoBuffs08
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1) Failure on both fronts - 70%
2) Stay in Pac - 20%
3) Back to Big12 - 10%
It's CU- you know they are going to screw it up.
You don’t want to be the first one to make the move. You damn sure don’t want to be the last one without a life raft, either.