I think more like D3 than Club, but I agree.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Maybe. Travel and schollies are expensive.
Do I need to reiterate the structure of the Bundesliga Clubs?
I agree that since America is the most selfish, crooked, and greedy country in the world, none of this would work without a clear understanding that operations, revenues, and profits would be clearly defined in operating agreements for any form of Superleague University-Franchises.
Revenues need to remain with the main parties, the schools and the athletes. It could be done if people had ethics, but that is unlikely
If I had a nickel for everytime I've heard someone ask that....
I win more than your annual salary betting the Bundesliga, but I’m sure you’re the expert. You’re using a poor strategy BTW. You don’t get a Super League and grassroots community co-ownership to exist simultaneously. It’s one of the major reasons why German Football supporters were so vehemently opposed to a European Super League.
I think the TV people want Miami for it’s huge TV market. Which drives dollars for the conference in the end. The SEC doesnt really own it. What if the B1G went down there before the SEC?
The SECs problem in all this is that the parent company of their Tv network is in financially harder place at the moment. Like GE in the early 2000s their cleverly crafted conglomerate the purred for years and years is suddenly limping. The B1G by contrast isnt reliant on one player and has actually set up competition between Fox, CBS, and NBC.
BerkeleyBuff
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Nah, they both just did the best they could with the options available.
you guys may be correct that the powers-that-be at those schools gave no thought to the future, but we're talking 10's of millions of dollars per year here.
I really think that before committing to a 30% revenue share with the ACC (vs a presumed full share of a better negotiated media deal with the MWC or other conference) someone at Stanford and Cal had reason to believe that the ACC wouldn't be relegated to G5 status within a few years.
I could be wrong, but, you and Not are making it sound like the bay area schools just blindly picked the conference with the most expensive possible travel arrangement for them, and further agreed to give up near term revenue.... without having any confidence there would be a long term benefit. That seems really foolish.
BerkeleyBuff
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I'm not saying they blindly picked at all, I'm saying they legitimately had no other option at remaining "P5." They both had looooong convos with the B1G and that was a no go. They and the Big XII were mutually disinterested. Obviously the SEC wasn't an option. Neither has any inside knowledge the ND is going to join full time or anything like that, both know the ACC is shaky, but both really had no other option (where again, remaining "P5" was the goal).
ok, I can smell what you're cooking
and, I don't see the win in them...
- signing with the ACC for 13 years....
- with reduced media rights for nine years...
- if they didn't have some reason to believe the ACC would still be a Power conference in two years
BerkeleyBuff
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Hokie, again, what was the other option? Hope and reason aren't mutually exclusive. There was literally nothing else to do while remaining P5. If the ACC does collapse, then they can still pursue the other options - MWC or whatever - at that time. And they'll still earn more in the ACC than they would have the MWC, even at reduced shares, for the time being.
ok, thanks. I understand your position and while not yet convinced, I'm open minded to it being more accurate than mine.
I posted this thought yesterday without much consideration. it's 100% hokiehead original, and I doubt it would get much support, but after dwelling on it a bit I LOVE this idea.
and just imagine the outcrys from the likes of USC and Texas!
only within context of an mNC. get rid of the Natty, and you get rid of the unfairness
other than hoops, I'm not sure any sports' fanbase would miss a national championship all that much
manhattan, I love that statement cause it is a boss comment about a great league.
You’re using a poor strategy BTW. You don’t get a Super League and grassroots community co-ownership to exist simultaneously. It’s one of the major reasons why German Football supporters were so vehemently opposed to a European Super League.
However, let me change my terminology to American College Football League and not Super League. I am only saying that the 64-68 current Division 1, formerly known as Power 5 teams be placed in a single cohesive League, essentially a March Madness Football system that creates a level playing field.
What is happening right now is a scummy filthy uneven system that just recently fukked over the players, enriched the Coaches, enriched the Media Companies, and is out of control, and is trying to throw entire programs to the curb. I get it benefits the hyper-aggressive fat cats in the SEC and B1G, but it is disgusting.
Here is where I think this is all going:
There are about 24-30 schools that think they can or want to win a national championship. These are the schools that will break off and form their own football division and will be the ones that pay the $30K/year trust. They will compete for the upper tier national championship.
The rest of the FBS (Appx 100 schools) will realign conferences to make more geographical sense. ACC, Big 12, Pac 12, etc. These schools will compete for their own national championship and follow the more traditional college football model. This is where I feel CU will fall which is fine with me.
The sooner this gets done the better. CU will never again compete for a national championship in the current model. I’d be fine trying to compete for one at a level below the elite.
I love this idea; I just don't see it happening. The P2 has to be content with how much they are getting paid. Why rock the boat? Do the schools outside the P2 have enough leverage to make a change? ESPN and Fox could tell the 100 schools to get lost if they try to rebel.
if ND joins them, maybe
I honestly don’t think they’d have to rebel. I feel the networks would just rather have all of their inventory go to the top thirty teams, leaving scraps for the other 100. Thus diminishing the budgets and getting back to where CFB was 20 years ago for those schools.
I’m assuming ND is going to be in the top 30 teams.
I just looked it up, and the new TV deal ND did with NBC didn't disclose the amount. I would probably guess it's on par with the P2, and ND considers themselves part of that club.
Why 30? What happens to the conferences? If Todd Saliman decides having a nationally relevant football program is needed and is willing to fund the Trust, would CU be included or is this invite only?
ND considers themselves above that club, which is why they refuse to join one of them.
Replying to myself... It would not be an invite only club. Any institution would be able to opt in, including G5 programs who have the resources
real chance of that club being 5 - 6 public schools and 25+ privates
CU becomes FBS then
All top players go to the upper division, and thus Prime and other top coaches go there.
30 is way too few, Anti-Trust comes into play
This is dumb
NCAA is useless and is just mucking it up more
Dude. I’m just throwing out a number. It could be more, could be less. Also, you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think it’s already invite only. Who do you think the networks want to put on their channels?
The bottom of the SEC and the bottom of the B1G are not ready for this and it is sad to see about 12-20 programs that have crowned themselves god that they can run away and do what they want. Nothing good is happening right now at the top levels
I don't really understand how you figured that... Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Oregon, UCLA, Washington, FSU, Florida, Clemson, North Carolina, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, aTm are 17 public schools off the top that would opt in for that.