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2024 Big 12 Preview

I might be alone here because I saw UNLV play in person in November.....but Barry Odom at Arizona would scare me. Especially if Brennan Marion comes with him.
 
The OL has certainly been addressed.

I don't like that "would have been 10-2" stuff, though. The 2023 Buffs couldn't block or tackle. You can't do that, you're not a winning team. New OL Coach & OC have a major task at hand. New DC may have an even bigger challenge.

If we had an OL that could pass block and protect Shedeur like the Secret Service protects the POTUS, a double digit win season would have happened last season.

It's too easy to dismiss the Big 12 after Oklahoma & Texas left but there are still two recent Big 12 CCG participants in KSU & OSU in the conference. That is in addition to Utah and maybe Arizona. Throw in Kansas and perhaps TT and the 2024 CU Big 12 schedule is not the cakewalk that some fans here think it will be.

My 2024 goals for CU are:

1. Go to a bowl game.
2. Get a winning conference record.

Bonus would be winning the B12 & going to the CFP.
 
If we had an OL that could pass block and protect Shedeur like the Secret Service protects the POTUS, a double digit win season would have happened last season.

It's too easy to dismiss the Big 12 after Oklahoma & Texas left but there are still two recent Big 12 CCG participants in KSU & OSU in the conference. That is in addition to Utah and maybe Arizona. Throw in Kansas and perhaps TT and the 2024 CU Big 12 schedule is not the cakewalk that some fans here think it will be.

My 2024 goals for CU are:

1. Go to a bowl game.
2. Get a winning conference record.

Bonus would be winning the B12 & going to the CFP.
Take any team in the country, replace their worst 5 starters on one side of the ball with great players and you can easily argue that said team will win 3, 4, 5 more games.

It's as consequential as saying, "If the 2022 Buffs had an elite QB, vastly improve WRs, and a vastly improved secondary they could win 4 or 5 games, and only get blown out a couple of times instead of being the historically inept dumpster fire that they were. "

I guess you can say it played out to be true, but it's just meaningless.
 
Take any team in the country, replace their worst 5 starters on one side of the ball with great players and you can easily argue that said team will win 3, 4, 5 more games.

It's as consequential as saying, "If the 2022 Buffs had an elite QB, vastly improve WRs, and a vastly improved secondary they could win 4 or 5 games, and only get blown out a couple of times instead of being the historically inept dumpster fire that they were. "

I guess you can say it played out to be true, but it's just meaningless.

This is the time of the year to be in fantasy land. B)
 
The OL has certainly been addressed.

I don't like that "would have been 10-2" stuff, though. The 2023 Buffs couldn't block or tackle. You can't do that, you're not a winning team. New OL Coach & OC have a major task at hand. New DC may have an even bigger challenge.
I think this is the biggest gap between the Prime guys an the CU guys
 
Just on paper, I had a chance to evaluate the conference. This doesn't mean anything till the Spring game. I've done this a couple times before but I am more clear right now since i know who's enter the draft, transferred via the portal, and what's arriving.

Utah is the team to beat. Why? They return most of their impact guys but did lose Eliss, Laumea, Bishop, and their best player, Vaki. Even lost Matthews and Jackson but replaced them with Singer and Woods who really has good tape. Because of injuries, they played so many guys. Their weak spot was clearly at QB but they return Cam Rising who's one of the best players in college football. This is definitely the early favorites. They don't have any great players outside of Rising for this level, hell not even any really good players but this team is stacked with depth and they got their QB back. I would wage on Utah if I just made a general bet.

After that, you have the safe teams tier: This is the poor man's Utah tier. All of these teams are like Utah but don't recruit as well overall. But excellent coaching, great recruiting plans, has a prototype they go for and schools they like to recruit from. They are generally safe bets, probably would be average as hell in the PAC-12 last year but for the Big 12, they are reliable.

That's Okla State, KS State, and Kansas. All are going off the same template and doing it well. Different styles. OSU likes to run, run, and run and use the pass to make you pay for overplaying the pass. KSU likes to mix it up and use their QB to force you to play to their physical style. Kansas is a speedy team that uses their athletes in space to punish you. When Daniels is healthy, they are a hoot to stop. All three of these teams really did much of anything in the portal. They rely on HS and JUCO recruiting. KSU got hit the hardest in the portal but they had replacements already on their squads. I just don't see much downturn with these three teams. While I don't see them as true contenders either, I see them as teams that will be tough to beat for anyone in the Big XII.

Next tier: We are good but can we contend: This is the West Virginia and Iowa State tier. Both of these teams are going to be good and were solid last year but is it enough? Neither team got blasted or added much in the portal. Both have strong running games and a QB of the future. Greene and White feel like White/Slaton in the 2000s. Greene is one of the best QBs in the nation and White is expected to be one of the best RBs. It's the rest of the team that you want to see what they will do in 2024. Both of these teams are likely better to contender than OSU, KSU, and KU but things can go downhill as they aren't complete teams yet. Still, watch for these two teams.

What the hell are we tier, we can contend or go straight to the bottom: This is Colorado, TCU, and Texas Tech tier. On paper, each of these teams had critical issues and seemed to address them in the portal and HS/JUCO recruiting. That said, on paper. We need to see it. Colorado is the most talented team in the conference, on paper. Texas Tech looks like it's gonna break through, on paper. TCU fixed all of their issues, on paper and Ken Seals is a superior QB to Chandler Morris. You put Seals in the scheme and with that personnel, he will look like an all-Big-XII performer. So much of these teams' success will rely on how it all comes together, fit, development, and coaching.

On paper, these three teams look like contenders. I like them better than OSU, KSU, KU, WV, and ISU who are ahead of them. But in reality, I feel much safer with the safe schools and I know Iowa State and West Virginia are good right now. I am confident in that. Of these three schools, TCU and Texas Tech flash very good and are average too much and CU was average but had superstars and legit talent but were too young with limited chemistry. All three had moments in 2023.

Sleepers, UCF, Cincinnati, and Baylor. UCF loses some studs like their top CB to Louisville and Plumlee is out of eligibility. But they landed Jefferson from Arkansas who's a stud and they really had a good portal and HS recruiting class. I think teams are sleeping on them. Maybe 2024 isn't their year but it could be. Cincy returns all of the OL from one of the best from last year. This team should really be solid. They have studs, just way too many holes due to the portal and the loss of Fiskel. Baylor has a lot of good players but like Cinny, loaded with holes. Like Cincy, I don't know if they filled them. All three aren't bad at all.

Colorado 2023 - Arizona 2024. You have one of the best QBs returning in Noah F and one of the best players in the nation in T-Mac returning. You even return back three OL, what could go wrong? Fisch leaves, defense gets killed via the portal, depth gets killed via the portal, and you lose your best running back who's also one of the best players in the nation via the portal. The draft takes your all-world LT and slot WR as well. This should be a squad that for at least the first 3-4 weeks, shows the nation they got the game but once injuries happen and expect them to happen, they will falter regardless of the best players' efforts.

I am just not that high on them: Arizona State, BYU, and Houston. Two got killed by the portal. ASU gets a lot of solid players but loses very good players as did Houston. BYU is doing BYU. They are just adjusting to the Big XII and I still think they have a couple HS recruiting classes to go till they are fully ready for the jump. They were so used to playing a mixed schedule. Just wasn't ready. Arizona State should be better this year than last but losing impact players and replacing them with solid players isn't a formula of success. That said, if Arizona State is better than Arizona, I wouldn't be shocked.


I look forward to seeing all of these team's in the spring game. The spring game tells me a lot.
 
Nice write up above.

It seems like #1 Draft Pick is higher on Baylor & Cincinnati than I am right now. I might be higher on ASU & BYU than he is. UCF really helped themselves with getting Jefferson from Arkansas and he'll be a load to bring down in the running game. UCF is definitely a sleeper at this point but I think Baylor is headed for another losing season and a coaching change. Cincy isn't too far behind Baylor in that case as they might be realizing that the former Louisville head coach wasn't well liked by the UL fans before he left UC for a reason.

I agree about Utah being the favorite followed by the likes of KSU, KU, and OSU. We need to send Brett Yormark Christmas cards for having three of those four teams coming to Boulder this fall. Must be the reward of being the first to jump ship to the Big 12. I have felt that WVU is just outside that group and ISU isn't far behind WVU in that regard.

As for CU, TT, and TCU, it just all depends on how it would come together for those teams. Out of the three, I feel like TT is the more likest to have a good season. The portal haul looks good for CU and TCU but we are going to have to see how things go. Things looked like they were going well at CU then the Buffs went 1-8 in its final season in the PAC.

I think ASU is a year away from being a good team in the Big 12 but at the same time, the sanctions from the previous regime's dirty work might bite sooner than later. BYU just needs to find a QB and they should be ok plus they would love nothing more than to wreck Utah's first season in the Big 12. Houston, like Baylor, is pretty much guaranteed a losing season due to the coaching change even if the coach is a good one...just give him a year or two to get things going.

And just in time for the release of the 2024 Big 12 schedule tomorrow if the speculation is correct.
 
And one more thing @#1 pick, where does this leave Arizona? In the same group as CU, TT, and TCU?
No, a tier below sleepers:

Colorado 2023 - Arizona 2024. You have one of the best QBs returning in Noah F and one of the best players in the nation in T-Mac returning. You even return back three OL, what could go wrong? Fisch leaves, defense gets killed via the portal, depth gets killed via the portal, and you lose your best running back who's also one of the best players in the nation via the portal. The draft takes your all-world LT and slot WR as well. This should be a squad that for at least the first 3-4 weeks, shows the nation they got the game but once injuries happen and expect them to happen, they will falter regardless of the best players' efforts.

Their depth and top-end talent got destroyed but they kept the Servite boys so their fans are extremely optimistic but I am not. They didn't replace the players they lost to the draft before Fisch left, they are now missing depth and key players due to being raided and didn't replace anyone. They are looking a lot like 2023 Colorado where they have some ballers but are just lacking way too much to do more than lose close games to good teams and get dominated by great ones. It wouldn't shock me if ASU is better this upcoming year. They still have the spring portal but without much NIL, they are limited in options. The biggest thing they must do it just keep the Servite boys to at least be marketable.
 
Nice write up above.

It seems like #1 Draft Pick is higher on Baylor & Cincinnati than I am right now. I might be higher on ASU & BYU than he is. UCF really helped themselves with getting Jefferson from Arkansas and he'll be a load to bring down in the running game. UCF is definitely a sleeper at this point but I think Baylor is headed for another losing season and a coaching change. Cincy isn't too far behind Baylor in that case as they might be realizing that the former Louisville head coach wasn't well liked by the UL fans before he left UC for a reason.

I agree about Utah being the favorite followed by the likes of KSU, KU, and OSU. We need to send Brett Yormark Christmas cards for having three of those four teams coming to Boulder this fall. Must be the reward of being the first to jump ship to the Big 12. I have felt that WVU is just outside that group and ISU isn't far behind WVU in that regard.

As for CU, TT, and TCU, it just all depends on how it would come together for those teams. Out of the three, I feel like TT is the more likest to have a good season. The portal haul looks good for CU and TCU but we are going to have to see how things go. Things looked like they were going well at CU then the Buffs went 1-8 in its final season in the PAC.

I think ASU is a year away from being a good team in the Big 12 but at the same time, the sanctions from the previous regime's dirty work might bite sooner than later. BYU just needs to find a QB and they should be ok plus they would love nothing more than to wreck Utah's first season in the Big 12. Houston, like Baylor, is pretty much guaranteed a losing season due to the coaching change even if the coach is a good one...just give him a year or two to get things going.

And just in time for the release of the 2024 Big 12 schedule tomorrow if the speculation is correct.
It really comes down to talent. At the end of the day, you either have it or you don't. Baylor and Cincy have it, they just have depth and some quality starter concerns. I am interested to hear your take on BYU? What do you see from them. They landed Bohanon in the portal who was the QB at Baylor at one time as well as USF. I think Baylor is underrated nationally. They have good players and Dequan Finn is a good QB and a now add for Baylor who has a good OL and running game now they add Finn. Don't sleep on Baylor.

I want to see how the schedule plays out. We are starting at home then 3 straight on the road since I heard KU will be our first Big XII game and it's at Arrowhead.

It's too hard to say right now. TT, CU, and TCU all are very promising if they don't get in their own way. TCU almost did it the year they nearly won it all with Chandler Morris over Max Duggan. TT has to bring these guys together. They got Josh Kelly who was a beast of WAZZU in their scheme. They have WR talent and depth not to mention, a sound running game. TT has the pieces in place to be special. Colorado has the pieces in place to be dominate but they also have the most change as well with the likely starters. That said, their depth should be a strength in 2024 whereas it was a weakness in 2023. So much has to come together for CU more than any other team in this conference.

I think ASU and BYU are about a year away at best. Houston is probably two years away. That said, Houston made a tremendous hire and he will fix Houston.
 
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Top 25 - No specific order. Power teams bolded. Next tier itatic. Too early list before the spring game. Not considering the schedule or the difficulty of the schedule.
  1. Miami (FL)
  2. Florida State
  3. Clemson
  4. Louisville
  5. Michigan
  6. Penn State
  7. Ohio State
  8. Rutgers
  9. Iowa
  10. Wisconsin
  11. Washington
  12. Oregon
  13. USC
  14. Utah
  15. Alabama
  16. Georgia
  17. LSU
  18. Texas A&M
  19. Missouri
  20. Mississippi
  21. Tennessee
  22. Florida
  23. Auburn
  24. Texas
  25. Oklahoma

Bottom five: Rutgers, Florida, Auburn, Washington, and Iowa

11 SEC Teams
9 B1G Teams
4 ACC Teams
1 Big XII Team

SEC is in a class of its own with everything. Recruiting, NIL, roster quality, coaches, etc.

B1G is 2nd but it's not far behind the SEC and just won the natty.
ACC is far behind and lacks quality depth. That said, Miami, FSU, Clemson, and Louisville are extremely competitive for anyone. These four teams should separate themselves from the masses if they don't shoot themselves in the foot.
Big XII makes up for the lack of major star power with amazing depth.

Extra:
26. North Carolina
27. Georgia Tech
28. Virginia Tech
29. Arkansas
30. South Carolina
31. Mississippi State
32. Big XII from 32-43.
44. B1G from 44-49
50. NC State
51. Wake
52. Duke
53. Syracuse
54. Arizona
55. Boston College
56. Vandy - Last SEC Team
57. Indiana
58. Purdue
59. Michigan State - Last BIG team
60. Boise - First G5 to show up.
61. Oregon State
62. Washington State
63. Liberty
64. Arizona State
65. BYU
66. Houston - Route 66 and the last Big XII team.
67. Virginia
68. Pittsburgh
The end.


I forgot about Stanford, SMU, and Cal. Put Stanford ahead of Arizona. Put Cal ahead of Boise and put SMU behind Pitt.

If the ACC is the American conference of the P4, The Big XII is the P4's Sun Belt.
 
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It really comes down to talent. At the end of the day, you either have it or you don't. Baylor and Cincy have it, they just have depth and some quality starter concerns. I am interested to hear your take on BYU? What do you see from them. They landed Bohanon in the portal who was the QB at Baylor at one time as well as USF. I think Baylor is underrated nationally. They have good players and Dequan Finn is a good QB and a now add for Baylor who has a good OL and running game now they add Finn. Don't sleep on Baylor.

I want to see how the schedule plays out. We are starting at home then 3 straight on the road since I heard KU will be our first Big XII game and it's at Arrowhead.

It's too hard to say right now. TT, CU, and TCU all are very promising if they don't get in their own way. TCU almost did it the year they nearly won it all with Chandler Morris over Max Duggan. TT has to bring these guys together. They got Josh Kelly who was a beast of WAZZU in their scheme. They have WR talent and depth not to mention, a sound running game. TT has the pieces in place to be special. Colorado has the pieces in place to be dominate but they also have the most change as well with the likely starters. That said, their depth should be a strength in 2024 whereas it was a weakness in 2023. So much has to come together for CU more than any other team in this conference.

I think ASU and BYU are about a year away at best. Houston is probably two years away. That said, Houston made a tremendous hire and he will fix Houston.

BYU will have the edge when it comes to size and maturity because a lot of their players go on two year missions for the LDS and Utah has benefited from that on a smaller scale. If they have a good QB, they could be good and the same goes for Utah if Rising returns to form. If you have the players who are more physically capable than the average college football player that is two years younger, you could win more games than what your talent level would show.

As for Baylor, I'm down on them because their two conference wins were close ones over UCF and Cincy on the road and those wins were by one point and three points. Their Big 12 conference schedule didn't appear to be difficult since they didn't play Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, or Kansas last season. That wasn't a tough Big 12 conference schedule. This upcoming season they will play OSU, KU, TCU, and BYU at home while playing at CU, TT, UH, ISU, and WVU on the road. If you want a turnaround type of season, you have to start with winning at home which BU did not do except for a win over FCS Long Island which isn't impressive since I don't recall LIU being one of the better FCS schools. I'll just hit the snooze button on those guys.

Cincy had a harder Big 12 schedule last season and they beat Pitt who finished 11th in the ACC with a 3-9 record and lost to MAC member Miami at home. They played better against their fellow newcomers and weaker Big 12 teams but when it came to playing the stronger Big 12 teams, they were beat handily. Cincy has to go to CU, TT, KSU, ISU, and UCF while they host ASU, TCU, UH, and WVU at home. Just like BU, they only had one home win over a better FCS team (EKU) than who BU faced. They should be able to run the football but it basically comes down to their head coach who was pretty much ran out of Louisville.

Back to BYU, they played a tough Big 12 schedule last season. They host UA, UH, OSU, KU, and KSU while they travel to ASU, Utah, BU, and UCF. I agree they are a year away since they will not have to deal with KU, KSU, and OSU in 2025 plus they would have three or four recruiting classes since the announcement that they are going to the Big 12.
 
Top 25 - No specific order. Power teams bolded. Next tier itatic. Too early list before the spring game. Not considering the schedule or the difficulty of the schedule.
  1. Miami (FL)
  2. Florida State
  3. Clemson
  4. Louisville
  5. Michigan
  6. Penn State
  7. Ohio State
  8. Rutgers
  9. Iowa
  10. Wisconsin
  11. Washington
  12. Oregon
  13. USC
  14. Utah
  15. Alabama
  16. Georgia
  17. LSU
  18. Texas A&M
  19. Missouri
  20. Mississippi
  21. Tennessee
  22. Florida
  23. Auburn
  24. Texas
  25. Oklahoma

Bottom five: Rutgers, Florida, Auburn, Washington, and Iowa

11 SEC Teams
9 B1G Teams
4 ACC Teams
1 Big XII Team

SEC is in a class of its own with everything. Recruiting, NIL, roster quality, coaches, etc.

B1G is 2nd but it's not far behind the SEC and just won the natty.
ACC is far behind and lacks quality depth. That said, Miami, FSU, Clemson, and Louisville are extremely competitive for anyone. These four teams should separate themselves from the masses if they don't shoot themselves in the foot.
Big XII makes up for the lack of major star power with amazing depth.

Extra:
26. Georgia Tech
27. Virginia Tech
28. Arkansas
29. South Carolina
30. Mississippi State
31. Big XII from 31-43.
44. B1G from 44-49
50. NC State
51. Wake
52. Duke
53. Syracuse
54. Arizona
55. Boston College
56. Vandy - Last SEC Team
57. Indiana
58. Purdue
59. Michigan State - Last BIG team
60. Boise - First G5 to show up.
61. Oregon State
62. Washington State
63. Liberty
64. Arizona State
65. BYU
66. Houston - Route 66 and the last Big XII team.
67. Virginia
68. Pittsburgh
The end.

69. North Carolina which honestly, I forgot to add back after I took them out of the top 25 teams. Put UNC at 26 ahead of Georgia Tech.
I also forgot about Stanford, SMU, and Cal. Put Stanford ahead of Arizona. Put Cal ahead of Boise and put SMU behind Pitt.

That's the reality we are going to have to face and that is something I have seen from the FCS ranks for a long time. Looking at the FCS championship results from this century, only a few teams outside of the major FCS conferences made it to the championship game and not even one of them won that game.

I hope a non-SEC or non-B1G team wins the first 12 team CFP.
 
BYU will have the edge when it comes to size and maturity because a lot of their players go on two year missions for the LDS and Utah has benefited from that on a smaller scale. If they have a good QB, they could be good and the same goes for Utah if Rising returns to form. If you have the players who are more physically capable than the average college football player that is two years younger, you could win more games than what your talent level would show.

As for Baylor, I'm down on them because their two conference wins were close ones over UCF and Cincy on the road and those wins were by one point and three points. Their Big 12 conference schedule didn't appear to be difficult since they didn't play Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, or Kansas last season. That wasn't a tough Big 12 conference schedule. This upcoming season they will play OSU, KU, TCU, and BYU at home while playing at CU, TT, UH, ISU, and WVU on the road. If you want a turnaround type of season, you have to start with winning at home which BU did not do except for a win over FCS Long Island which isn't impressive since I don't recall LIU being one of the better FCS schools. I'll just hit the snooze button on those guys.

Cincy had a harder Big 12 schedule last season and they beat Pitt who finished 11th in the ACC with a 3-9 record and lost to MAC member Miami at home. They played better against their fellow newcomers and weaker Big 12 teams but when it came to playing the stronger Big 12 teams, they were beat handily. Cincy has to go to CU, TT, KSU, ISU, and UCF while they host ASU, TCU, UH, and WVU at home. Just like BU, they only had one home win over a better FCS team (EKU) than who BU faced. They should be able to run the football but it basically comes down to their head coach who was pretty much ran out of Louisville.

Back to BYU, they played a tough Big 12 schedule last season. They host UA, UH, OSU, KU, and KSU while they travel to ASU, Utah, BU, and UCF. I agree they are a year away since they will not have to deal with KU, KSU, and OSU in 2025 plus they would have three or four recruiting classes since the announcement that they are going to the Big 12.
Thanks! I haven't looked at upcoming schedules yet. I mainly focused on their on-paper roster and the talent they acquired.
 
WVU QB coach is the new Troy OC. The WVU QBs did good last year. Replacement QB coach was at Jacksonville State and coached a good dual threat QB there so WVU might not miss a beat here.

 
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