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2023-24 Coaching Carousel (Fitzgerald out, DC Braun interim at Northwestern)

Robert Sorell said:
I think the analogy would have been hiring Chiv instead of Tucker.
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Yeah, definitely closer to Chev. Embree's resume was lightyears ahead of Foster's at the time he was hired at CU. EB's was similar to this, but still had about 5 more years of experience.

This is UCLA making a top down decision to go cheap. They are simply uninterested in competing and just want to collect the B1G checks. I seriously wonder if the UC Regents basically told UCLA they could go to the B1G, but it was only allowed to help get the school system out of their massive debt.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Yeah, definitely closer to Chev. Embree's resume was lightyears ahead of Foster's at the time he was hired at CU. EB's was similar to this, but still had about 5 more years of experience.

This is UCLA making a top down decision to go cheap. They are simply uninterested in competing and just want to collect the B1G checks. I seriously wonder if the UC Regents basically told UCLA they could go to the B1G, but it was only allowed to help get the school system out of their massive debt.
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This^. The Bruins are opting out of the "Expensive Diva Coach Carousel". Good for them, in a way. Congrats and best of luck to this new guy and I hope UCLA enjoys the cash from the B1G. Very rational decision.
 
Could also be UCLA hiring its Dabo.

It's not as though there's a good blueprint for hiring a HC with any predictive value. Seems to me it's mostly hiring a leader who boosters will rally behind and the rest of the job is a crapshoot on what will or won't work out.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Odd take
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Just expanding on the second paragraph in your post #1654 and going a step further in thinking that it's a good decision for that particular program. UCLA has no interest in becoming a Texas, a Georgia, or a Florida State. Looks like they are treating it as a business. There will be a few rabid internet Bruin fans that will whine but they're of no consequence.
 
PAHIBuff said:
Just expanding on the second paragraph in your post #1654 and going a step further in thinking that it's a good decision for that particular program. UCLA has no interest in becoming a Texas, a Georgia, or a Florida State. Looks like they are treating it as a business. There will be a few rabid internet Bruin fans that will whine but they're of no consequence.
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Just shelve the football program at that point then. UCLA is forcing their non revenue generating athletes to travel all over the country for what; so the school can manage its debt by cashing a media paycheck while their football program becomes a doormat?
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Just shelve the football program at that point then. UCLA is forcing their non revenue generating athletes to travel all over the country for what; so the school can manage its debt by cashing a media paycheck while their football program becomes a doormat?
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Rhetorical question...
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Yeah, definitely closer to Chev. Embree's resume was lightyears ahead of Foster's at the time he was hired at CU. EB's was similar to this, but still had about 5 more years of experience.

This is UCLA making a top down decision to go cheap. They are simply uninterested in competing and just want to collect the B1G checks. I seriously wonder if the UC Regents basically told UCLA they could go to the B1G, but it was only allowed to help get the school system out of their massive debt.
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Not sure if this is true but would make sense with issues UCLA has
 
patebuff said:
Not sure if this is true but would make sense with issues UCLA has
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How did he manage to do that? What leverage did Chip have over UCLA when he decided to leave voluntarily? Also, how does the buyout work? Usually the new school pays, but that's for a HC. Ohio State poached him for their OC position. Are they paying his buyout?
 
I wish Foster the best, but UCLA is still an abject mess. This has a feel of Embo or KD hire. Foster is nowhere close to the initial wish list that UCLA initially circulated-- https://gojoebruin.com/2023/12/05/ucla-football-who-could-be-the-next-coach-list-of-candidates/2/. I think they got a ton of No's from established coaches. Let's see who Foster can get as AC's and coordinators--they only have 6 listed. Will UCLA break the bank paying them? They have to hope Norton Jr. and Norwood stay for some stability, but they could have been passed over. 1st order of business is for Foster to re-recruit the roster. His strength is a relentless recruiter.

The only good news is the B1G conference power rankings released a couple days ago:

https://247sports.com/longformartic...s-conferences-top-programs-226972495/#2363343.

The B1G looks totally top-heavy a Big 4, then a bunch of weak/beatable teams, then 5 is UW and USC 6. I think both UW (Frisch did not bring his UaA stars,and their roster was gutted) and USC is probably over-rated. USC: "recruiting has been good but not elite." SC lost 22 guys to portal with a bunch going to P4 schools, and only back-filled with 11; really only 9 given one is a long-snapper and another the back-up QB. The two UCLA secondary transfers look good, but the OSU brothers so-so IMO (they will play, but B1G all conference??). IMO, Miller Moss will need to have a lights out season for them to do much.

Overall, I am getting the sense that the current state of college football coaching is really now geared toward a youth movement. CBSSports gave the Foster hire a B-, right next to Trent Bray and Fran Brown. O'Brian to BC is an outlier. Not that those grades mean a ton, but experience (HC, OC or DC) is now sort of overlooked. A few years back Fisch (he was an F at AZ), DeBoar (he was a B- at UW) and Troy Taylor (C- Stanford) but they had experience, a decent resume. The last 2 cycles grades have been much different than 2021, where you had 14 guys of B or better--many big names all with extensive experience as HC/Coor. The times they are a changin'.
 
GRM said:
I wish Foster the best, but UCLA is still an abject mess. This has a feel of Embo or KD hire. Foster is nowhere close to the initial wish list that UCLA initially circulated-- https://gojoebruin.com/2023/12/05/ucla-football-who-could-be-the-next-coach-list-of-candidates/2/. I think they got a ton of No's from established coaches. Let's see who Foster can get as AC's and coordinators--they only have 6 listed. Will UCLA break the bank paying them? They have to hope Norton Jr. and Norwood stay for some stability, but they could have been passed over. 1st order of business is for Foster to re-recruit the roster. His strength is a relentless recruiter.

The only good news is the B1G conference power rankings released a couple days ago:

https://247sports.com/longformartic...s-conferences-top-programs-226972495/#2363343.

The B1G looks totally top-heavy a Big 4, then a bunch of weak/beatable teams, then 5 is UW and USC 6. I think both UW (Frisch did not bring his UaA stars,and their roster was gutted) and USC is probably over-rated. USC: "recruiting has been good but not elite." SC lost 22 guys to portal with a bunch going to P4 schools, and only back-filled with 11; really only 9 given one is a long-snapper and another the back-up QB. The two UCLA secondary transfers look good, but the OSU brothers so-so IMO (they will play, but B1G all conference??). IMO, Miller Moss will need to have a lights out season for them to do much.

Overall, I am getting the sense that the current state of college football coaching is really now geared toward a youth movement. CBSSports gave the Foster hire a B-, right next to Trent Bray and Fran Brown. O'Brian to BC is an outlier. Not that those grades mean a ton, but experience (HC, OC or DC) is now sort of overlooked. A few years back Fisch (he was an F at AZ), DeBoar (he was a B- at UW) and Troy Taylor (C- Stanford) but they had experience, a decent resume. The last 2 cycles grades have been much different than 2021, where you had 14 guys of B or better--many big names all with extensive experience as HC/Coor. The times they are a changin'.
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The former P12 schools will get paid, but only USC is likely to compete regularly in the B1G. All the rest will get Nebraska'ed.
 
H.E. Pennypacker said:
As things stand now, Oregon is up there with Ohio State and Michigan, imo. As much as it pains me to say that.
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Yep. My B1G tiers as the programs stand going forward (not just a 2024 outlook)...

Tier 1
- Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon

Tier 2
- Penn State, USC

Tier 3
- Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State, Washington, Minnesota, Nebraska

Tier 4
- UCLA, Illinois, Northwestern, Maryland, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers

I think you could potentially combine Tier 3 and 4, but just kind of feels like Wis, Iowa and MSU are better programs
 
H.E. Pennypacker said:
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H.E. Pennypacker said:
As things stand now, Oregon is up there with Ohio State and Michigan, imo. As much as it pains me to say that.
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I don't agree. Not yet. UO hasn't even played in the P12 championship for the last four years. UO could level up but hasn't done enough to be considered Tier 1 yet.
 
H.E. Pennypacker said:
With the talent they brought in on top of the talent returning, I absolutely believe they are tier one. I guess we'll see and I'd be happy to be wrong.
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Ped State brings in talent at basically an equivalent level as UO based on ratings. I'll believe UO is Tier 1 in the B10 when they actually earn it on the field of play.
 
slider said:
One called it their “Jon Embree moment.”
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Ooooof

In hindsight, it was pretty common 10-15 years ago of NFL position coaches becoming College HCs

EB was Assistant Head Coach at Minnesota Vikings and JE was AHC at UCLA previously. Most people at the time thought the hire was the wrong way around with EB being the HC and JE the OC

One still wonders if Bohnhead had listened to Mac and made him an interim coach for a few years while training up either EB/JE as his successor
 
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