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[BehindEnemyLines]

It's not like Namon is completely new to the system. He got to practice and see it all last year.

I think his outside scoring threat earns him the starting role, and it might relieve the pressure on Dom by having him be the 6th man.

 

[RollTad21]

Tad mentioned installing a new offense starting in June in some of his interviews. Does he actually mean a new offense or just new to a lot of guys on the team?

 

[Goose]

Dom hasn't been impressive. Tad's tried to start him the past 3 years, so probably a good bet that he'll try again. But I don't trust him as a starter. He's given no reason to trust him in that role.

I'm the last person on Dom Island and even I'm not sure I disagree with you on this. I just expect on November 10th to see Dom starting next to McKinley. I'm really hoping Dom puts it together. I worry about bench scoring this year so it'd be nice to have someone like Namon there to keep things going. One of the BSN guys suggested he could play a King role off of the bench.

 

[dyemeduke]

Regardless of whether or not Dom starts, he should play a lot of minutes. Bball positions can be simplified these days imo to ball-handlers, perimeter, bigs. I don't know about Namon's handles too well, but I don't think Brown can really be a ball handler based on last year, leaving us with just Dom and McKinley. I'd personally like for one of them to be off the bench. As for concerns about scoring off the bench, Schwartz should have provide some boost, even though it is hard to fully trust most freshmen. That is a good point though about Namon starting depleting the bench scoring...I had just sort of been assuming Namon starts, moreso than McKinley over Dom (I do think that will eventually happen).

I am of the opinion though that we can't put too much stock in these Italy games. It's like NFL preseason - some things you can glean, but a lot of predictions people like to make that never come to fruition.

 

[SewallBeach]

None.

In fact, I think our starting backcourt this season can be called The Wright Brothers because both Kin and Namon look like starters.

Then: King on the wing, Siefert at stretch-4 and we'll find out who the 5th starter is. Could be Tory or Dallas for a true post. Could be we we go smaller with Bey or Battey starting.

 

[Buffs Basketball Fan]

It's not like Namon is completely new to the system. He got to practice and see it all last year.

I think his outside scoring threat earns him the starting role, and it might relieve the pressure on Dom by having him be the 6th man.

Namon missed a lot last year with injuries.
He was at practices but on court activities were limited. Good seeing AB energized for basketball. Hopefully translates to court and the stands.

 

[Buffnik]

 

[Buffnik]

 

[SewallBeach]

 

[Buffnik]

 

[SewallBeach]

 

[BuffinCali]

I'm the last person on Dom Island and even I'm not sure I disagree with you on this. I just expect on November 10th to see Dom starting next to McKinley. I'm really hoping Dom puts it together. I worry about bench scoring this year so it'd be nice to have someone like Namon there to keep things going. One of the BSN guys suggested he could play a King role off of the bench.

I believe Dom has been the biggest bust in CU basketball history. He came in with a lot of hype and has been absolutely terrible. If he had not had a high ranking coming into college, with everything equal, he sits on the pine for the majority of every game at CU. We all HOPED he would be that player to lift up the team and program after Spencer left but that simply has not been the case. Perhaps the expectations were to high for him and he has never been able to get out from underneath them.

 

[dyemeduke]

I believe Dom has been the biggest bust in CU basketball history. He came in with a lot of hype and has been absolutely terrible. If he had not had a high ranking coming into college, with everything equal, he sits on the pine for the majority of every game at CU. We all HOPED he would be that player to lift up the team and program after Spencer left but that simply has not been the case. Perhaps the expectations were to high for him and he has never been able to get out from underneath them.

Being rather harsh, I think. In spite of his falling short of our hopes, he still is a legit rotational player in the backcourt.

Not singling you out, but one of my bigger pet peeves is how so hyped up fans can get for HS players, expecting guys to be stars just because they were four stars by some recruiting services. There are tons of five and four stars that don't pan out...as discussed ad nauseaum in the football recruiting threads. Since CU doesn't get a ton of these players, when we do, the expectations are through the roof. As for biggest bust in CU history - Jose Winston would be bigger imo. Jamahl Mosely also didn't really star, but did his job just fine. I think Dom is like Jamahl - not great, but has done okay...just not living up to the hype. I admit I hoped for a lot more...but I reserve criticizing him due to overall perspective.

 

[CitizenKane]

I believe Dom has been the biggest bust in CU basketball history. He came in with a lot of hype and has been absolutely terrible. If he had not had a high ranking coming into college, with everything equal, he sits on the pine for the majority of every game at CU. We all HOPED he would be that player to lift up the team and program after Spencer left but that simply has not been the case. Perhaps the expectations were to high for him and he has never been able to get out from underneath them.

I have been an unabashed critic of Dom and even I wouldn't say he has been the biggest bust, but that may be because I didn't expect as much from him as his ratings would have suggested.

 

[mattrob]

My biggest complaint with Dom is that we essentially chose Dom over a chance at Perkins. Now, that was on Josh, not Dom, and I can't say the staff should have done anything differently, but it hurts, nonetheless.

 

[BuffG]

Dom was the #91 player in his class by the 24/7 composite. He wasn't rated as a top 100 player by Scout or 24/7's own rankings. Many services rated him as only the 2nd best player on his high school team. His stock was downgraded by every recruiting service throughout most of his high school career. I remember him being rated as a top 60 player as a freshman/soph but his body never developed. He never gave any sign of having next level athleticism.

I expected more too but if you're calling him the biggest bust ever then you're blind. I was far more disappointed with XJ and Tre'shaun Fletcher.

 

[Buffnik]

If we're talking "biggest bust", I'd go with either Damiene Cain or Keegan Hornbuckle. Highest rated recruit of the Dinwiddie and Burks classes, respectively. Did nothing. Left.

 

[Goose]

My biggest complaint with Dom is that we essentially chose Dom over a chance at Perkins. Now, that was on Josh, not Dom, and I can't say the staff should have done anything differently, but it hurts, nonetheless.

This is partially true. @YngC - please correct me if I'm wrong, but the situation as I understood it was that Perk wasn't going to go anywhere where he would have to share the backcourt billing with another high recruit. Meaning if CU wanted Perkins, they had to drop out of Dom completely. But even if CU did that, they still had lots of competition for Perkins. So yes, they "chose" Dom over Perkins, but they also chose a 4* recruit over the possibility of getting nothing.

As for Dom, he's a rotation guy. Not a starter on a team that's making a lot of noise, but someone you can at least play. He put up a 99.1 ORtg (not great, not horrible) and had the third highest Assist Rate on the team. 75% FT shooter, 33% from beind the arc so you at least have to defend him out there a bit. I don't think anyone's pretending he's all world, but he's nowhere near biggest bust in CU basketball history.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

 

[Goose]

If we're talking "biggest bust", I'd go with either Damiene Cain or Keegan Hornbuckle. Highest rated recruit of the Dinwiddie and Burks classes, respectively. Did nothing. Left.

What was Kal Bay's ranking? I don't remember him being above a 3*, but if we're talking "overhyped fanbase" vs "production" he has to be up there.

 

[jumped ship]

Does anyone have a decent gauge on the competition level we've been facing?

I loved Tad's comments about the team from Lithuania being extremely physical, but are these the types of teams that Yaz would be on or a notch above/below that?

 

[mattrob]

This is partially true. @YngC - please correct me if I'm wrong, but the situation as I understood it was that Perk wasn't going to go anywhere where he would have to share the backcourt billing with another high recruit. Meaning if CU wanted Perkins, they had to drop out of Dom completely. But even if CU did that, they still had lots of competition for Perkins. So yes, they "chose" Dom over Perkins, but they also chose a 4* recruit over the possibility of getting nothing.

This is exactly how I remember it (although I thought he specifically didn't want to play beside Dom after the family felt overshadowed) and it's also why I wanted to clarify they took Dom over a CHANCE at Perkins, as I don't think that was a sure thing. And as I said, I think the staff had to proceed as they did since the timing of Perkins clearly establishing himself as the better prospect coincided with the resentment peaking over the POTY going to Dom their junior year, and it all happened just as Dom was prepared to commit. The staff couldn't throw away 3 or 4 years of work on Dom at that point, and risk getting shut out. It was just a bad situation for the staff all around.

 

[mattrob]

Wright and Bey again. Wright may be the best player on the team already. Bey's line is pretty impressive, too: 6pts, 5 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks in 13 minutes. He just does it all out there.

 

[FightCu1414]

I don't think Perkins was every going to go to CU, and if we had a choice we would've picked Perkins even back then. Dude never passed at Regis either.

 

[jumped ship]

This is exactly how I remember it (although I thought he specifically didn't want to play beside Dom after the family felt overshadowed) and it's also why I wanted to clarify they took Dom over a CHANCE at Perkins, as I don't think that was a sure thing. And as I said, I think the staff had to proceed as they did since the timing of Perkins clearly establishing himself as the better prospect coincided with the resentment peaking over the POTY going to Dom their junior year, and it all happened just as Dom was prepared to commit. The staff couldn't throw away 3 or 4 years of work on Dom at that point, and risk getting shut out. It was just a bad situation for the staff all around.

I guess that's the benefit of being a D1 level player in Colorado...you can call your own shot cause you're a unicorn.

In other news, I'm excited for football but cannot wait to see this bball team in action. Was just trying to type out a starting lineup to a friend, along with a 3-5 deep bench rotation, and found myself emotionally conflicted for the older guys. Based on early Euro action I'd go with the following:

G - McKinley Wright
G - Namon Wright
F - George King
F - Tory Miller
F/C - Lucas Siewert

Bench:
1 - Deleon Brown
2 - Tyler Bey
3 - Dallas Walton
4 - Dom Collier
5 - D'Shawn Schwartz

See how things get away from you quickly?

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

Tory and Walton with solid efforts.

Can we learn to shoot free throws, please?

 

[dyemeduke]

Way to bring us back to topic.

What was Kal Bay's ranking? I don't remember him being above a 3*, but if we're talking "overhyped fanbase" vs "production" he has to be up there.

He definitely was not more than a 3 star by any service at the time. If I recall correctly, Jeremy Williams and Xavier Silas were the highest prospects from that class, and they were both 3 stars. Nothing against the players, but I couldn't stand that class and RP at that time.

I guess that's the benefit of being a D1 level player in Colorado...you can call your own shot cause you're a unicorn.

In other news, I'm excited for football but cannot wait to see this bball team in action. Was just trying to type out a starting lineup to a friend, along with a 3-5 deep bench rotation, and found myself emotionally conflicted for the older guys. Based on early Euro action I'd go with the following:

G - McKinley Wright
G - Namon Wright
F - George King
F - Tory Miller
F/C - Lucas Siewert

Bench:
1 - Deleon Brown
2 - Tyler Bey
3 - Dallas Walton
4 - Dom Collier
5 - D'Shawn Schwartz

See how things get away from you quickly?

I think the only player that is definitely a starter is King. After that, I think Namon and Tory are clear starters, but others have raised good points on them coming off bench. I go with with your starting five, except that I think Dom will start the year at point. This is purely from me speculating that Tad will trust his senior to start the year before McKinley proves himself in games. I also think Bey may start with Siewart off the bench. I don't expect to see a lot of Brown or Walton this year. I expect to see Battey more than them. I'd actually prefer a 8-9 man rotation as a base.

 

[Goose]

I guess that's the benefit of being a D1 level player in Colorado...you can call your own shot cause you're a unicorn.

In other news, I'm excited for football but cannot wait to see this bball team in action. Was just trying to type out a starting lineup to a friend, along with a 3-5 deep bench rotation, and found myself emotionally conflicted for the older guys. Based on early Euro action I'd go with the following:

G - McKinley Wright
G - Namon Wright
F - George King
F - Tory Miller
F/C - Lucas Siewert

Bench:
1 - Deleon Brown
2 - Tyler Bey
3 - Dallas Walton
4 - Dom Collier
5 - D'Shawn Schwartz

See how things get away from you quickly?

If I had to go with a starting lineup heading into the P12 Tourney, I think it'd go:

* Wright
* Wright
* Bey
* GK
* Tory

First guard off bench - Dom
First wing off bench - Brown
First big off bench - Siewart

Schwartz and Battey getting spot minutes. And honestly, I could easily flip Tory & Battey so I went with seniority.

 

[Buffnik]

How 'bout Bey with 5 boards, 2 blocks, 2 steals and 2 assists in 13 minutes on the court!

That is one hell of a glue guy to make everything happen.

 

[Buffnik]

If I had to go with a starting lineup heading into the P12 Tourney, I think it'd go:

* Wright
* Wright
* Bey
* GK
* Tory

First guard off bench - Dom
First wing off bench - Brown
First big off bench - Siewart

Schwartz and Battey getting spot minutes. And honestly, I could easily flip Tory & Battey so I went with seniority.

So much will depend on matchups.

But I'm with you on the Wright Bros backcourt with King on the wing as the place you start with this team.

From there, I don't see how you can leave Bey's glue game off the court. Like what Dre did as a frosh, he's going to gain possessions for the Buffs.

The "5" is the toughest call. Tory is the steady, efficient guy and best rebounder. Siewert stretches the court. Walton protects the paint. Battey is a wildcard who could be the most complete player and toughest matchup for opponents since he can do all that stuff pretty well plus beat guys off the dribble.