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That's the kind of time that's going to make guys roll over for immunity. Like Dick Clark did in the big payola scandal to DJs to get records played - first ones to talk get to walk.

Nobody's getting 80 years for taking sneaker kickbacks. The press always adds up the maximum penalty for each charge and says that's what a guy is facing. It's not a realistic estimate. Depending on the amount of bribes, the guys looking at 2 or 3 years. People flip for a lot less, though.
 
It's definitely been an entertaining day. Local radio has gone full nuke alert, finding all kinds of folks to interview, numerous takes and opinions.
 
Nobody's getting 80 years for taking sneaker kickbacks. The press always adds up the maximum penalty for each charge and says that's what a guy is facing. It's not a realistic estimate. Depending on the amount of bribes, the guys looking at 2 or 3 years. People flip for a lot less, though.
Yeah if he went to trial and was found guilty on all counts no way he would serve anywhere near that time. But I agree with you, a guy who has lived an NBA lifestyle, and probably a comfortable life since, will not want to spend any time behind bars, let alone multiple years. These guys, the ones that are caught red handed, will be giving up bigger fish (if they have them to give) asap.
 
Yeah if he went to trial and was found guilty on all counts no way he would serve anywhere near that time. But I agree with you, a guy who has lived an NBA lifestyle, and probably a comfortable life since, will not want to spend any time behind bars, let alone multiple years. These guys, the ones that are caught red handed, will be giving up bigger fish (if they have them to give) asap.
I'm singing if I'm him. In his early 60s. Coaching career is ended by this scandal. What's the point of protecting the companies, street agents and his competitors by going to jail? There's no margin in that for him and it's hard to see why he'd have a reason for that kind of loyalty.
 
You've got to think this is the end for Andy Enfield, Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl, and Rick Pitino.

Kind of funny that Auburn has had major scandals under the same AD in basketball (now twice), football, baseball and softball. Only at Auburn does someone survive that.

Also read implications that South Carolina and Miami will soon join the list.

Louisville might be headed for the death penalty, but you hear that every time. Of course, they were out cheating days after getting penalized for the hooker parties. Is it different this time?
 
You've got to think this is the end for Andy Enfield, Sean Miller, Bruce Pearl, and Rick Pitino.

Kind of funny that Auburn has had major scandals under the same AD in basketball (now twice), football, baseball and softball. Only at Auburn does someone survive that.

Also read implications that South Carolina and Miami will soon join the list.

Louisville might be headed for the death penalty, but you hear that every time. Of course, they were out cheating days after getting penalized for the hooker parties. Is it different this time?

I wouldn't be surprised if Pitino and Tom Jurich are fired tomorrow. From what I've seen, South Carolina and Miami are in way more NCAA trouble than they are with the feds. As far as Auburn, USC, Arizona, and Oklahoma State........let's see if the arrested coaches snitch. One more thing here.....Brad Underwood brought Lamont Evans to Stillwater last year, and he might be in trouble too.
 
To me, this is like 4 men setting up a scheme to have sex with a bunch of HS girls. How on earth could they think no one would find out? Incredible way to destroy your life
 
Huge difference between that and outright bribery. I saw in a post earlier in this thread a quote about "modern day slavery"......and that's what this kind of stuff is. I think the sanctions for the now 5 programs involved in this need to be severe. Given Louisville got probation from the NCAA a month before this meeting in a Vegas hotel room took place, I don't see any reason why that program doesn't deserve the death penalty or something along the lines of what Baylor got Scott Drew's first year (where they only played a Big 12 schedule). As far as the other four......well this is the epitome of lack of institutional control. These guys weren't doing this without the knowledge of the coaches they worked for-Bruce Pearl, Sean Miller, Andy Enfield, and whoever Lamont Evans worked for in Stillwater either condoned this stuff or ignored it IMO.

Its no secret that recruiting in this sport is a sleazy business. This is an opportunity for the NCAA to send a message to this sport-drop the hammer on everybody involved here.

The bolded is hyperbole. The player and his family is getting paid, and the kid still has a choice in schools, or the choice to not play ball at all. The term 'modern day slavery' is ridiculous.
 
I agree with that too. Get rid of the age limit.

But if boosters are giving these kids cash - and even in the mid-majors these kids are getting cash handshakes - why outlaw them?

Agreed. An FBI investigation won't stop this in the long run. The dust will settle and it will be back to business.
 
I think 99% of this board would have given their left nut to participate in that 'modern day slavery'.

****, I might just to see the Buffs play in a Final 4..... hypothetically of course.... allegedly..... :D
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Pitino and Tom Jurich are fired tomorrow. From what I've seen, South Carolina and Miami are in way more NCAA trouble than they are with the feds. As far as Auburn, USC, Arizona, and Oklahoma State........let's see if the arrested coaches snitch. One more thing here.....Brad Underwood brought Lamont Evans to Stillwater last year, and he might be in trouble too.

It would be very hard for those schools to fire those guys at this point. They are big names and it is reasonable to expect that each has some big $$ boosters who will support them to the end.

The schools though have to be realizing this isn't just an NCAA investigation, this thing could get very ugly.

The same reason it is happening is the reason it won't be easy to clean up. For the schools involved basketball is a multi-million dollar business. Most of these schools have a history of being associated with cheating for wins but this time they aren't just dealing with a slap on the hand. It is also worth wondering how many university presidents, chancellors, and other top officials are worried about their names being dragged in.

I don't think we see any firings right away but much more likely is the fallback CYA of immediate suspensions along with the normal "internal investigation."

If they do start firing it means there is a lot more out there already that we don't know and this thing is going to blow up much bigger.
 
Huge difference between that and outright bribery. I saw in a post earlier in this thread a quote about "modern day slavery"......and that's what this kind of stuff is. I think the sanctions for the now 5 programs involved in this need to be severe. Given Louisville got probation from the NCAA a month before this meeting in a Vegas hotel room took place, I don't see any reason why that program doesn't deserve the death penalty or something along the lines of what Baylor got Scott Drew's first year (where they only played a Big 12 schedule). As far as the other four......well this is the epitome of lack of institutional control. These guys weren't doing this without the knowledge of the coaches they worked for-Bruce Pearl, Sean Miller, Andy Enfield, and whoever Lamont Evans worked for in Stillwater either condoned this stuff or ignored it IMO.

Its no secret that recruiting in this sport is a sleazy business. This is an opportunity for the NCAA to send a message to this sport-drop the hammer on everybody involved here.

Bolded is where you lose me. This is wrong, yes. But holy hell, the hyperbole about kids getting paid is ridiculous. The death penalty for this? But a slap on the wrist for coaches buying hookers and taking them on campus for the players? Or Baylor and the horrible God awful situation down there? Or Baylor (again) back when you mentioned when the coach literally covered up a murder? Or Penn State being Penn State?

I'm sorry, you can argue that the kids getting paid is wrong and the teams should be punished. I get it, I disagree, but they did break the rules. But death penalty? Come on man... You can't honestly tell me that a kid getting $100k to go play ball at a school is worse than the millions of other things the NCAA has let go.
 
The point I tried to make yesterday is there's no Nike in this yet. The headlines on national news (CBS) this morning was about:

Louisville, USC, Arizona, Okie State and Adidas. No mention of Nike. We need Phil Knight's balls in a noose.
 
The point I tried to make yesterday is there's no Nike in this yet. The headlines on national news (CBS) this morning was about:

Louisville, USC, Arizona, Okie State and Adidas. No mention of Nike. We need Phil Knight's balls in a noose.

Only a matter of time really. UofA, USC, and OSU are Nike brands. Have to think that if they start poking their nose into the Pac-12, everyone is going to direct them to Nike U as well.
 
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