We now take you to USC, UA, Okie Lite, Auburn, Da U, KANSAS, & NC State

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by buff4bcs1985, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. skibum

    skibum Did not pee on the Alamo. Club Member

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    Louisville is pretty close, depending on how you define it - they've got 3 national titles, which matches Kansas' total. They are also pretty close, geographically speaking, to Kentucky, so they are definitely "close to a blue blood."

    But Arizona has the same number of titles as such perennial basketball greats as Wyoming, UTEP and CCNY. Even in the Pac12, Oregon, Utah, Stanford and Cal have all won the same number of titles as Arizona.

    I think you're making a similar mistake a lot of people do with Arizona, and mistaking blue hair for blue blood.
     
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  2. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Since 1985 they've missed the NCAA tournament twice.

    15 regular season Pac-10/12 titles.

    6 Pac-10/12 tourney championships (most in conference).

    They're a blue blood.
     
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  3. skibum

    skibum Did not pee on the Alamo. Club Member

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    nouveau riche /= blue blood

    I'm not saying they're not good. Even very good. I'm just saying that to be a be a "blue blood" you have to have won the big one more often, and more importantly: you have to be a big enough name that the NCAA will not throw you under the bus.

    Unlike the true blue bloods, Arizona sits at that really terrible spot (for them) where they are good enough to be considered a "top program" by enough people that the NCAA can come down like a hammer on them without actually seriously impacting tournament ratings or "legitimacy."

    They're a good enough program that the NCAA can make an example out of them. Hell, even their own fans are pointing out that "the realsity [sic] is we are not duke, U.K., UNC, ucla."
     
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  4. CitizenKane

    CitizenKane Club Member Club Member

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    Thank you for posting that link so very much. I haven't enjoyed reading something that much in a long....long time. Edit.....now if only the same thing could happen to Nebraska, Michigan, Alabama and USC in football....
     
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  5. skibum

    skibum Did not pee on the Alamo. Club Member

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    This, so much.

    That thread is gold.

     
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  6. Jens1893

    Jens1893 Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Louisville's been notified it's officially under FBI investigation.
     
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  7. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Wow.
     
  8. SuperD

    SuperD Club Member Club Member

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    This has the potential to get a lot, lot bigger. How would the NCAA treat this if like 2/3rds of the top 20 - 30 b-ball programs get implicated?

    Now we know the going rate for a 5* b-ball player is 100k though thanks to the Louisville allegations.
     
  9. MtnBuff

    MtnBuff Not allowed in Barzil 2 Club Member

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    Now the question is how does the spineless NCAA manage to wiggle themselves out of taking any real action on something that is this blatant and obvious. We all know that they are experts in delay, deflect, and deny when it comes to the programs that bring in the money but with the FBI and DOJ involved it will be much harder for them to shove this one under the rug.
     
  10. SewallBeach

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    A few personal favorites:

     
  11. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    By giving the Florida Atlantic MBB team the death penalty, of course.
     
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  12. Gary Indiana

    Gary Indiana Club Member Club Member

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    It is disturbing that the NCAA can get so involved with this, but Bailer can go around raping and covering up murders with no repercussions.
     
  13. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Well, bailer has issues with sexual assaults, but here, man we're talking shoes.
     
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  14. YngC

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    I asked an industry source about this today and he laughed, responded: "Don't throw stones when you live in Tyler Dorsey's house." Those intimately familiar with this recruitment should get some entertainment out of that.
     
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  15. Fight CU

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    How the money flowed:

    coach requests funds ----> apparel company/agent/financial advisor sends $$$ to shell company ----> shell company makes purchase/deposit into an account of a family member or the recruit ----> player commits to program and gets directed to the apparel company/agent/financial advisor etc etc. ----> coaches get the "bribes" for doing this successfully and they get the commitment

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  16. SewallBeach

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    cu2x Well-Known Member

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    Supposedly 2 issues:
    The shoe company paying to have players steered to a particular school, and,
    "Under the first group of charges, the U.S. Attorney is alleging that assistant coaches at Arizona, Auburn, Oklahoma State and USC "took cash bribes" in order to steer elite basketball players toward certain financial advisers and sports agents. The assistants named in the indictment are Chuck Person (Auburn), Emanuel Richardson (Arizona), Lamont Evans (Oklahoma State) and Tony Bland (USC)."
     
  18. BuffDog

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    Emanuel Richardson's bio below on the AZ website reads more interesting now that the law breaking/cheating news has broken.

    What should the penalty to AZ basketball be for cheating for 11 years? I often felt like we were one 5* player away from a Top 15 team but it looks like that is hard to do if your coach and staff aren't willing to break laws and cheat. Very frustrating.

    http://www.arizonawildcats.com/coaches.aspx?rc=714&path=mbball

    Now in his ninth season at Arizona, Emanuel “Book” Richardson has firmly established himself as one of the finest recruiters in college basketball.
    Richardson joined the Arizona basketball family in the spring of 2009, and is currently in his 11th season as a member of Sean Miller’s coaching staff.
    His efforts in building and strengthening UA’s recruiting ties across the country has helped Arizona land top-10 recruiting classes in each of the last seven years, including five top-five classes during that period of time.
    Richardson’s contributions at Arizona have not only been felt on the recruiting trail, however. As a member of the UA staff for the entire Miller Era, Richardson has helped guide the Wildcats to a 220-66 (.769) record, five Sweet 16s, three Elite Eights, four Pac-12 regular-season championships and a pair of Pac-12 Tournament titles.
    Arizona’s recruiting hauled in another top-three recruiting class in 2016, which included a pair of McDonald’s All-Americans in Kobi Simmons. The 2016 class also featured two other five-star prospects, including Rawle Alkins from Richardson’s hometown of New York City.
     
  19. L Buff

    L Buff Commissar of the Albuffs Collective Left Club Member

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    Bob Ryan just now on Around the Horn: "Being a college sports fan is like being in love with a hooker ... you know it's wrong but you just can't help yourself."

    That's about where I am at this point.
     
  20. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Guys, before you get all high & mighty and holier than thou, I just want to remind everyone that Tyler Dorsey visited here.

    And that visit came out of nowhere.
     
  21. CitizenKane

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    Hey wait, are you implying Nike would pay him more to go to hOregon?!?!:sneaky:
     
  22. dyemeduke

    dyemeduke Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, and as much as I'd like to think that Duke and Coach K's past success and allure are enough to convince big time kids to commit to Duke, there's no denying that Coach Capel has heightened the recruiting at Duke. He's not the only "great" recruiter on that staff either. Cal has been dirty in the past, and I'm convinced he's dirty now. Alford and his assts... ...

    My only concern is that this investigation will just hit a handful of programs hard, and not the whole structure of what we've created. Sometimes things need to be significantly burned down in order for new, better things to grow.
     
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  23. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Or we just let the kids get paid whatever the market will give them.
     
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    They already can, just not in college basketball.
     
  25. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    No, they can in college basketball. They just have to hide it. Get rid of the hiding.
     
  26. SewallBeach

    SewallBeach Club Member Club Member

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    I have seen his name mentioned elsewhere today. Are you insinuating something happened here to convince him to visit, or just presenting it as a possibility given where he ended up?
     
  27. onealcd

    onealcd Club Member Club Member

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    Making college basketball a hybrid European Soccer/American Baseball league sounds like the worst idea ever. Just get rid of the age limit on those entering the draft and move on.
     
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  28. Goose

    Goose Hoops Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I agree with that too. Get rid of the age limit.

    But if boosters are giving these kids cash - and even in the mid-majors these kids are getting cash handshakes - why outlaw them?
     
  29. ahoelsken

    ahoelsken Well-Known Member

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    Huge difference between that and outright bribery. I saw in a post earlier in this thread a quote about "modern day slavery"......and that's what this kind of stuff is. I think the sanctions for the now 5 programs involved in this need to be severe. Given Louisville got probation from the NCAA a month before this meeting in a Vegas hotel room took place, I don't see any reason why that program doesn't deserve the death penalty or something along the lines of what Baylor got Scott Drew's first year (where they only played a Big 12 schedule). As far as the other four......well this is the epitome of lack of institutional control. These guys weren't doing this without the knowledge of the coaches they worked for-Bruce Pearl, Sean Miller, Andy Enfield, and whoever Lamont Evans worked for in Stillwater either condoned this stuff or ignored it IMO.

    Its no secret that recruiting in this sport is a sleazy business. This is an opportunity for the NCAA to send a message to this sport-drop the hammer on everybody involved here.
     
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  30. buffaholic

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    Well, if any of my donation money was used to get Dorsey to visit, I feel ripped off. Not because I'm holier than thou but because he pretty much **** on us when he was here. Who pays for that?
     
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