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Official 2020 Fall Camp Thread
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SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
With the right coach I’d say a run like Cal had with Tedford might be the ceiling. Bowl games most season, a little over .500 in conference and one conference championship over the course of a good 10 year run.
It’s also a program that can just as easily piece together a decade of crap football with a series of bad hires.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
1. Mythical assistants on staff who can spread the gospel of Dorrell......like Tavares Tillman and Alfred Pupunu (I'd have to go back Embree or Hawkins to find two worse AC hires) spread the gospel of Tucker?
2. Because you can't run a true freshman out there in an opener for a season that involved no Spring Ball.
3. If Sam Noyer impresses, we can surprise.
It’s amazing how Dorrell is already a failure before one down has even been played. But yea, we should have hired the guy who’s been fired for being a drunk, ruined the Falcons offense, and had the nickname “7 win Steve” while coaching with more resources at Washington.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Your biases on Sark are showing. Dig deeper.
We have a very good idea of who DK is. Why was he fired from UCLA, why didn't he get other college HC jobs.
He is a good man and a good coach. He failed at UCLA because he and his staff didn't recuit well enough rise above mediocre. And this was in the middle of one of the best talent pools in the nation with a school that is highly desirable to recruits and for many their dream school.
I had hoped that in the years between then and now that he had evaluated what happened and made a real commitment that if he got another college HC job that recruiting would become the kind of priority that it needs to be for success. This kind of change of attitude doesn't happen often but as I said KD is an intelligent man and I hoped.
It may still happen but what have we seen so far that indicates that he is moving recruiting to a higher level than it was for him at UCLA.
Recruiting is sales, period. Recruiting is getting talented kids to commit to spending a few years of their life at your school and being part of your program instead of going to one of the other schools that is trying to get that same commitment.
Before I went into education I was in a sales business. I know that a number of posters on this board are in sales. I'd welcome any of them to tell me and convince me that I am wrong but I'll address this at manhattenbuf because I know he is in the sales end of the auto industry, one of the most sales intensive businesses out there.
The auto companies spend tens of millions, even hundreds of millions of dollars trying to give their models a competitive advantage over the competing companies, they do research and development, they do marketing and advertising, they do training, they put significant money into bonuses and incentives.
With all of this ultimately success often rides with the ability of the retail salesperson to sell the product, to close deal. The people who are the outstanding performers don't rely on their company being the "best" to make sales, they can succeed with what they have. In fact it is not unusual for the outstanding performers to leave a dealership and go down the street and continue to be an outstanding performer with a different dealer and a different product line or lines.
I used to go out of my way to try to hire top performers away from the local car lots because even with a totally different product line (appliances, home electronics) they would usually be top performers for me as well and make me money.
Much of this success was rooted in a sales ethic or mindset. A willingness to work harder, take the extra time and effort to establish the relationship, to determine the customers needs and to satisfy those needs.
I am still waiting to see that mindset from KD and his staff. Without it his time here will be a repeat of his time at UCLA except with lesser results because he doesn't have the same built in advantages here as he did there.
You’re right, my bad. I forgot he also sued USC after he broke the terms of the contract he signed. This all sounds like exactly what CU needed.
Have you paid attention to recruiting? This staff does not get recruiting. Look at who we are going after. Most kids do not have other P5 offers. We are in the bottom of the Pac-12. Lopez is a dinosaur who does not understand 21st century recruiting. This board is not the reason this staff is going to fail, they are doing that all by themselves
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Knowing what you know about both guys - would you choose Dorrell over Sarkisian if you had the choice?
Yes. Personally, I’d want nothing to do with Sark. He was a .500 coach in the North, and has way to much baggage for this program.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Yep. I’d rather recruit and win.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Yikes, ok. You know Washington went 0-12 the year before he got there right? And he has a slightly better career winning percentage than Dorrell, so if you don’t want a .500 coach, what do you think we got?
Dude says that he doesn’t want the OC of an elite offense because of his college record, but is all-in on KD despite his college record with more resources than Sark and a more fertile recruit base.
He was 34-29 at Washington never winning more than 5 conference games and had a 1-2 bowl record. It’s fine to not like Dorrell (doesn’t seem fair) but let’s not pretend Sark was going to be the program savior.
Now do KD.
Never said I was all in on KD. Simply saying give the guy a chance. And let’s not pretend Sark is what makes Alabama’s offense go.Dude says that he doesn’t want the OC of an elite offense because of his college record, but is all-in on KD despite his college record with more resources than Sark and a more fertile recruit base.
You were asked the direct question of KD vs Sark. Your argument is (somehow) that we should hate Sark’s record in a worse program, but give KD a chance because of his similar program in a better situation.
Sark is recruiting very well and has their offense humming. You’ll need to go back over two decades that a KD directed offense has done anything remotely resembling what Sark is doing today.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
I think CU got a 0.500 coach who will struggle recruiting g.
You conveniently left out the part about his baggage I want nothing to do with. It’s a big deal to me, might not be to you.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
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When a personal with a medical problem is getting treatment for their issue and has been doing much better in managing their life for several years, I look at their work. Frankly, I prefer a guy who has recruited and coached at a high level recently.
Success at this level is a big deal to me, might not be to you.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
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I don't know but we took UNLV to the woodshed.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
I just pointed four out.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Manhattan, he has shown great discipline and fortitude working on his disease. As well, he has displayed a matured willingness to attend, learn from and grow in the Saban 12-Step Coaches Recovery Program with humility and self-reflection, personally and professionally.
I consider those strengths, not liabilities.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Yes