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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

Denver_sc said:
I sure hope the publicly available attendance/viewership information is not what conferences are using to value schools, because CU definitely falls outside the top 50 on both of those that I could find.

CU sure picked the worst possible ****ing time to have the worst 15 year stretch in program history.
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I’d like to see what attendance and viewership numbers looked like relative to other middling and upper tier programs in 2016. I honestly think that matters as that’s something the school can point to as the “potential” this program has in a top 15 media market
 
Hank said:
Utah is also likely acting in its best interest, and waiting to see what the Pac can offer before making a panic move to the Big 12.
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Utah also feels the same way about the Big 12 as we would about a move to the MWC. We're not doing that unless we literally have no other choice.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I’d like to see what attendance and viewership numbers looked like relative to other middling and upper tier programs in 2016. I honestly think that matters as that’s something the school can point to as the “potential” this program has in a top 15 media market
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According to this, finished just out of the top 40:

www.cbssports.com

College football attendance in 2016: Crowds decline for sixth straight year

It was only a slight decrease overall this year as both LSU and Texas saw nearly double-digit gains
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I’d like to see what attendance and viewership numbers looked like relative to other middling and upper tier programs in 2016. I honestly think that matters as that’s something the school can point to as the “potential” this program has in a top 15 media market
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If the school pointed that out to me I would try not to laugh.

CU has until the 2030s to prove it deserves a seat at the grownup table when TV contracts are up again.
 
Hank said:
To be clear - the ACC owns the rights to each member school. Based on that understanding, the ACC entered into a contract with ESPN. So if the ACC breaches (because a member institution joins another conference), ESPN can sue them. And the ACC can sue the member school who left. ESPN could probably sue the member institution directly, but I'm not sure, I'm just an estate tax attorney.
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That's my understanding as well. I was trying to figure out if assault was trying to say Clemson was somehow exempt while all the other members are stuck.
 
ShnaultzSaltNMaltAssault said:
Jebbus some people. Hey, might I interject? 2004 was a pretty darn good season for us considering we beat the nubs on the last game if the season ending their bowl streak and giving them their first losing season in over 40 years. Glass half full mother****er
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Lol ok so going on 19 seasons. Fill up that glass mother****er.
 
Denver_sc said:
According to this, finished just out of the top 40:

www.cbssports.com

College football attendance in 2016: Crowds decline for sixth straight year

It was only a slight decrease overall this year as both LSU and Texas saw nearly double-digit gains
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
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Looks like 93% of capacity, though, which I believe was around 30th for P5 programs, and 4th in the Pac 12. The % increase (+18%) in attendance from 2015 was also 2nd in the P5 behind Miami, and top 5 in the country. Granted, most of the top 15-20 P5 programs don’t have much room for increase, but almost every Pac 12 program does and CU was far and away the tops in that category.

2017 saw a bump in attendance and increase to 94% capacity.

End of the day, I think there’s a compelling argument, based on one season of evidence, that the state of Colorado will support a winning college football program at a relatively high level.
 
Matt said:
If the school pointed that out to me I would try not to laugh.

CU has until the 2030s to prove it deserves a seat at the grownup table when TV contracts are up again.
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Why would you laugh? Colorado is branded as a state that doesn’t give a **** about or support major CFB, and I think it’s prudent to point out that’s just not the case. Fair weather might be a good descriptor, but it’s not apathetic like most of California is
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Looks like 93% of capacity, though, which I believe was around 30th for P5 programs, and 4th in the Pac 12. The % increase (+18%) in attendance from 2015 was also 2nd in the P5 behind Miami, and top 5 in the country. Granted, most of the top 15-20 P5 programs don’t have much room for increase, but almost every Pac 12 program does and CU was far and away the tops in that category.

2017 saw a bump in attendance and increase to 94% capacity.

End of the day, I think there’s a compelling argument, based on one season of evidence, that the state of Colorado will support a winning college football program at a relatively high level.
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This. Cu is in a good /decent position compared to the other PAC & BIG10 schools. Considering our stretch of terribleness, the program is well supported by its fan base, at least relatively. Yeah Stanford gets donations this, and ASU has support that, but neither have better fan support. Ffs, Stanford can't fill a stadium ranked playing usc ranked. Cu doesn't have that problem when we don't suck.

All in all, I think our best option is to bolt for big 12 to try and better our situation through basketball but Wtf do I know
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Why would you laugh? Colorado is branded as a state that doesn’t give a **** about or support major CFB, and I think it’s prudent to point out that’s just not the case. Fair weather might be a good descriptor, but it’s not apathetic like most of California is
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As a student, we very much care. And we had the second highest attendance in the pac 12. People care, the higher ups don’t. It’s unfair
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Why would you laugh? Colorado is branded as a state that doesn’t give a **** about or support major CFB, and I think it’s prudent to point out that’s just not the case. Fair weather might be a good descriptor, but it’s not apathetic like most of California is
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Honestly, I think cu fans view of self is affected by years of corn wagon opinions. Plenty of cfb fans in Texas still think of cu as 2001 or 1990, not 2013.
 
Big 12 is a Mickey Mouse conference and I believe would slowly bleed out west coast kids coming to school here. Student population may decrease over time. It’s our only option though I guess
 
Adding G5 Schools is not the way to go in this environment - years ago conference expansion was a path but now expansion only makes sense if you are adding at the top (Texas and OU to SEC/ USC and UCLA to the B10) not at the bottom. Adding at the bottom is more mouths to feed without adding value - dilution.

Talking about conferences chopping teams is ridiculous, IMO. As far as I know it has never happened in modern times that a conference has kicked a member out. I imagine the lawsuits would be enormous including some brought by State Attorney Generals. Teams get chopped when conferences dissolve.

I thought Joel Klatt had some interesting comments. He does not see the present College Football business model as sustainable. Five P5 conferences is probably too many and 2 of them are probably going to have to merge in the next few years. The Big 10 and the SEC will be the Top dogs no matter what. He thinks CU will end up in the Big 12.
 
Reading all the conjecture, it comes up the political pressure to keep State schools, e.g., Oregon St, Wash St, **** Baylor, etc., together. Glad we don't have that concern and weight of Colo. St. It was semi-surprising that Oklahoma was 'allowed' to leave without Okie St.
 
BlackNGold said:
Adding G5 Schools is not the way to go in this environment - years ago conference expansion was a path but now expansion only makes sense if you are adding at the top (Texas and OU to SEC/ USC and UCLA to the B10) not at the bottom. Adding at the bottom is more mouths to feed without adding value - dilution.

Talking about conferences chopping teams is ridiculous, IMO. As far as I know it has never happened in modern times that a conference has kicked a member out. I imagine the lawsuits would be enormous including some brought by State Attorney Generals. Teams get chopped when conferences dissolve.

I thought Joel Klatt had some interesting comments. He does not see the present College Football business model as sustainable. Five P5 conferences is probably too many and 2 of them are probably going to have to merge in the next few years. The Big 10 and the SEC will be the Top dogs no matter what. He thinks CU will end up in the Big 12.
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Klatt also says that he believes that college football will be better as a result of all of this.

I do not agree.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Looks like 93% of capacity, though, which I believe was around 30th for P5 programs, and 4th in the Pac 12. The % increase (+18%) in attendance from 2015 was also 2nd in the P5 behind Miami, and top 5 in the country. Granted, most of the top 15-20 P5 programs don’t have much room for increase, but almost every Pac 12 program does and CU was far and away the tops in that category.

2017 saw a bump in attendance and increase to 94% capacity.

End of the day, I think there’s a compelling argument, based on one season of evidence, that the state of Colorado will support a winning college football program at a relatively high level.
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That article is 6 years old. I think you are trying to put lipstick on a pig and call it a babe.
 
BlackNGold said:
Adding G5 Schools is not the way to go in this environment - years ago conference expansion was a path but now expansion only makes sense if you are adding at the top (Texas and OU to SEC/ USC and UCLA to the B10) not at the bottom. Adding at the bottom is more mouths to feed without adding value - dilution.

Talking about conferences chopping teams is ridiculous, IMO. As far as I know it has never happened in modern times that a conference has kicked a member out. I imagine the lawsuits would be enormous including some brought by State Attorney Generals. Teams get chopped when conferences dissolve.

I thought Joel Klatt had some interesting comments. He does not see the present College Football business model as sustainable. Five P5 conferences is probably too many and 2 of them are probably going to have to merge in the next few years. The Big 10 and the SEC will be the Top dogs no matter what. He thinks CU will end up in the Big 12.
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I think there will be some contraction of conferences. likely, they won't outright kick members out, but rather pass a league rule that within five years, each school needs to invest $x/year in their athletics, or have a stadium capacity > 50k or something that will push the Wake Forests and Norhtwesterns and Vanderbilts to either step up or step out.
 
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