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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

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Dear Lord, please give me the light and strength to stop clicking on this thread.
In your Son's holy name we pray, Amen.
HotRack

(I still remember from confirmation how to properly structure a prayer!)
Pretty sure our Lord would not appreciate how you signed your prayer, but otherwise well done 😂
 
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Dear Lord, please give me the light and strength to stop clicking on this thread.
In your Son's holy name we pray, Amen.
HotRack

(I still remember from confirmation how to properly structure a prayer!)
I had just noticed: this thread has had 590,000 views, If we'd each donated a dollar instead, we could have bought a few more players
 
I would ****ing love it if we merged with the ACC and officially established ourselves as the sole Tier 2 or even quasi Tier 1 conference with the Big 12 relegated to "Something that might be slightly better than a G5 conference".

**** those guys.
That would be weird but I wouldn't love it. But whatever, show (coach prime) the money.
 
I would ****ing love it if we merged with the ACC and officially established ourselves as the sole Tier 2 or even quasi Tier 1 conference with the Big 12 relegated to "Something that might be slightly better than a G5 conference".

**** those guys.
I noticed Kliavkoff seems to be a Virginia grad. I’ve checked who he follows and it’s every UVA fan account. Might not mean anything but can’t hurt to have a commissioner who is personally invested to make it happen.

I also know he hired an agency that comes from ACC territory and works with the ACC. I think the P12 ACC keep talking until it happens.

ESPN is invested in the ACC more than anyone other than the SEC. And we know the ACC is talking to the P12 and not the B12. So I would imagine ESPN is well aware and onboard with this idea.
 
I would ****ing love it if we merged with the ACC and officially established ourselves as the sole Tier 2 or even quasi Tier 1 conference with the Big 12 relegated to "Something that might be slightly better than a G5 conference".

**** those guys.
An ACC merger that included brands like Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, Oregon, and Washington with Utah, and hopefully CU, would be on par with the B1G, IMO. If they convinced ND to join, I think that’s creates a roughly equal P3 (SEC is still better than both)
 
I noticed Kliavkoff seems to be a Virginia grad. I’ve checked who he follows and it’s every UVA fan account. Might not mean anything but can’t hurt to have a commissioner who is personally invested to make it happen.

I also know he hired an agency that comes from ACC territory and works with the ACC. I think the P12 ACC keep talking until it happens.

ESPN is invested in the ACC more than anyone other than the SEC. And we know the ACC is talking to the P12 and not the B12. So I would imagine ESPN is well aware and onboard with this idea.
Wonder to what extent? Scheduling only ? Full merger ?
Oregon, Washington, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC - would they sign on with eyes looking elsewhere ?
 
I'm a big fan of the idea of a PAC-ACC super conference. It's just a shame on timing because I don't think USC & UCLA would have left if that had been on the table. Who knows? If the number was big enough, I could see ESPN trying to entice them to come back in the next round.
 
An ACC merger that included brands like Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, Oregon, and Washington with Utah, and hopefully CU, would be on par with the B1G, IMO. If they convinced ND to join, I think that’s creates a roughly equal P3 (SEC is still better than both)
I think there are 2 ideas floating around.

1) Full merger with all 24 schools

2) New league with only 18 schools

To get to the right payout to keep everyone happy (~$50-60M tv rights only), it probably needs to be 18 schools.

From P12:
CU, UO, UW, UU, Stanford, Cal, UA, ASU

From ACC:
Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, NC State, UVA, VT, Pitt, GT, Duke (or ND as a Duke replacement if they agree to it)

Left out:
WSU, OSU, Wake, Syracuse, BC, Louisville and possibly Duke

I hate the concept of leaving these schools out but if it means creating a league where the above schools commit to this then it’s worth it.
 
An ACC merger that included brands like Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, Oregon, and Washington with Utah, and hopefully CU, would be on par with the B1G, IMO. If they convinced ND to join, I think that’s creates a roughly equal P3 (SEC is still better than both)
Yep, and I think divisions (or pods) for scheduling would work pretty well in a conference like that.

If you had 6 team divisions, you could have an 8 game schedule with 5 games against your division and one from each of the other 3. Championship game is going to be highest ranked vs second highest ranked, so trying to balance SOS across a division doesn't really matter. For basketball, it's a little easier: 22 game BB regular season with home & home with your division, plus 2 home & home against teams from the other 3 would leave 6/7 non-conference + 2/3 invitational games.

Of course, Louisville and Pitt would be the "most screwed" in that scenario, because they're the westernmost teams that would probably get paired with the four corners schools for a 6 team division. UW, WSU, UO, OSU, Cal & Stanford are easy.

Because you're setting up to only play teams in other divisions once every 6 years (or every 3 years in BB), splitting up the rest of the ACC is a bit more difficult. Do you leave the 4 NC schools together? Do you split UVA and VTech? Do you say "geography rules all" and make GTech play Miami, FSU and Clemson every year while UVA's toughest division game is VTech?

From a football recruiting standpoint, it'd be tough because we would really be reducing our games in CA, but USC & UCLA bolting already did most of the damage there. OTOH, we'd have another game in hand to schedule in TX, plus we'd be at least playing somewhere in "the south" every other year.

Adding schools really doesn't make sense, unless you're trying to get to 28, and a 9 game football schedule. You'd need to add 4 more, and I think it only works with ND joining (or losing their FB scheduling arrangement). SDSU, SMU, KU & ND could work. Adding SDSU, SMU, KU and Houston could also work. (And would likely put us in a division with UU, ASU, UA, SMU, KU and Houston - that's a relatively easy path to the playoff...)
 
I think there are 2 ideas floating around.

1) Full merger with all 24 schools

2) New league with only 18 schools

To get to the right payout to keep everyone happy (~$50-60M tv rights only), it probably needs to be 18 schools.

From P12:
CU, UO, UW, UU, Stanford, Cal, UA, ASU

From ACC:
Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, NC State, UVA, VT, Pitt, GT, Duke (or ND as a Duke replacement if they agree to it)

Left out:
WSU, OSU, Wake, Syracuse, BC, Louisville and possibly Duke

I hate the concept of leaving these schools out but if it means creating a league where the above schools commit to this then it’s worth it.
Yeah - I explored the "all 24" a little bit in the post below yours. I'm just not sure how feasible it really is in the long term. Predictable and balanced scheduling is a bitch without divisions, and the divisions are really hard to draw.

You're right about dropping to 18 schools making the whole thing easier. While I'd tend to agree with your "left out" folks, I think it would be politically hard to impossible to split the following pairs: UW/WSU, UO/OSU, UNC/Duke/Wake/(maybe NCState).
 
Yeah - I explored the "all 24" a little bit in the post below yours. I'm just not sure how feasible it really is in the long term. Predictable and balanced scheduling is a bitch without divisions, and the divisions are really hard to draw.

You're right about dropping to 18 schools making the whole thing easier. While I'd tend to agree with your "left out" folks, I think it would be politically hard to impossible to split the following pairs: UW/WSU, UO/OSU, UNC/Duke/Wake/(maybe NCState).
Idk. I know that Oregon and Washington state legislature dropped bills tying UO/UW to OSU/WSU. Personally, I’d want VaTech and NC State.

Would there be a legal issue with Duke and Wake? Not sure. They’re private schools so maybe that helps. It might not be the best politics too drop them but they’re small schools (Wake 9k, Duke 17k).

I do know the UNC AD asked this question about dropping schools to the UNC chancellor last summer (per FOIA request from Jim Williams) if they merged with the P12 so it’s on their mind.
 
Would there be a legal issue with Duke and Wake? Not sure. They’re private schools so maybe that helps. It might not be the best politics too drop them but they’re small schools (Wake 9k, Duke 17k).
Legal issue /= political issue. While Duke and Wake are smallish, they punch above their weight in NC political power (and I mean "political power" in the broad sense, not "get votes and win elections," but more networks, back rooms, and quiet lobbying - the power that gets building permits issued/denied, speeding tickets erased, etc).
 
An ACC merger that included brands like Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, Oregon, and Washington with Utah, and hopefully CU, would be on par with the B1G, IMO. If they convinced ND to join, I think that’s creates a roughly equal P3 (SEC is still better than both)
It would basically expose Kilavkoff’s bulls**t about USC and UCLA having regrets over travel costs if he agreed to a conference scenario that required Washington to travel to Miami.
 
It would basically expose Kilavkoff’s bulls**t about USC and UCLA having regrets over travel costs if he agreed to a conference scenario that required Washington to travel to Miami.
Meh, they'd be traveling to Miami once every 12 years for football, and once every 4 in basketball in any conceivable schedule. (Seriously, try coming up with a realistic conference schedule that has them traveling to Miami, or even Florida more frequently than once every 6-12 years).

Their football schedule would likely look something like:
WSU, UO, OSU, Cal, & Furd every year. Two or three of those would be road games.
Then, every other year, they'd have a road game against a Midwest/Mountain West opponent.
Every other year, a road game against a mid-atlantic to north-east opponent,
And, again, every other year, a road game against a mid-atlantic to south-east opponent.
(The last two could easily be coordinated so that they're traveling to the Eastern time zone once a year, and never twice a year).

Basically, your conference slate would have 4 home games every year and 4 away games. When you've got 3 of the nearby schools as away games, you have to travel to the SE for your 4th, and in the years you have 2 of the nearby schools, you have to travel to the mountain west/midwest for one game, and to the NE for the 4th. It's not really a big deal.

With 4 games to schedule wherever they want, whether it's at home or close by. It's simply not an unreasonable football travel schedule.

Non-revenue sports, with the exception of conference championship tournaments, there'd be no reason to expand travel in a meaningful way beyond what they already do.

Now, contrast to USC and UCLA, and their nearest conference game in *any* sport is in Lincoln.
 
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It would basically expose Kilavkoff’s bulls**t about USC and UCLA having regrets over travel costs if he agreed to a conference scenario that required Washington to travel to Miami.
I don’t know about that. In a 9 game B1G conference schedule, USC will have to play 4-5 road games. At most 1 of those games will be vs UCLA. In some cases all will require extensive travel (years they host UCLA).

In a P12 ACC merger, if 8 schools join, each school could have up to 7 conference games against current P12 schools. It could be designed where schools have at most 1-2 road games with extensive travel.
 
It would basically expose Kilavkoff’s bulls**t about USC and UCLA having regrets over travel costs if he agreed to a conference scenario that required Washington to travel to Miami.
For football, I think you almost have to do pods. I think you even start looking at a 10-game conference schedule.

At 20 teams, for example, you have 4 pods of 5 each. Play your 4 games every year against your pod. Then if you play 2 against each of the other pods on a rotation (2x3=6), you end up playing 10 conference games.

24 is actually what I like. That's 6 pods of 4. So 3 teams in your pod you always play then you go 1 game per year against each of the other pods for a total of 8 games. Or (and I like this better), you create divisions. With divisions, it's 3 vs your pod, 2 games against the 2 other pods in your division, and then 1 game against each pod in the other division for 10 total conference games.
 
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