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Polishing the Brass on the Titanic

B1Buff

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It is hard for me not to look at the glass half empty at this point, but I can't help but look at the future of this program given this season and the current HC situation; which brings us to a major dilemma. On one hand, if we are successful for the remainder of the season (ie 6-1 or maybe 5-2 to finish) Hawk possibly keeps his job and we have another year of this to look forward to. On the other hand, if he continues to lose we will see the snowball effect have a major impact on the future of this program. Here is what I see as huge problems that will have a major effect on recruiting, retention, and the program/university:

1. The Players...
Simmons - Works his ass of to get here, has to jump through hoops to practice, doesn't see the field. here is a guy with only two years of eligibility to play and he gets screwed in this system and becomes wasted talent.

Hansen - last year he burns a redshirt only to play a minimal part in a sub-par season, this year he redshirts and is back to contribute to an already lost season, wastes a full year of eligibility on 2 games and (hopefully) half a season. Wasted 2 years of talent.

DS - #1 running back out of HS, splits carries and is ineffective with our weak o-line last year, hardly sees the field this year. wasted talent

Simas - I understand he has been "knicked up", but this kid can play and has seen minimal action. wasted talent (partly his fault do to personal issues which prevented him from playing in previous seasons.

2. This Offseason - unless we see a new head coach, expect another horrific offseason with players departing for greener pastures.

3. Recruiting - all this television exposure has shown possible recruits that they can come play for the Buffs and be embarassed on National TV on a regular basis and the more talented they are, the less they will play. However, I anticipate Boulder will become a mecca for the Rudy's out there playing the receiver position.

4. The entire AD - Without money being made from football, the entire athletic department is in jeopardy; it is no secret that a huge chunk of the ADs money is made from football. Without that money the AD will look to cut other sports and put our Big12 status in jeopardy as well.

5. Donations - a rapid decline in season ticket sales next year and substantial donations due to the lack of performance on the football field will substantially effect our ability to retain players, recruit players, and maintain the football team.

6. Exposure - For all of the Buffs outside of the Colorado, the opportunities to see the Buffs play on TV are going to be reduced to the CSU game and 1 or 2 blowouts against top big12 competition. And for those in the area, the game will be able to be seen on some ****ty network, not in HD, with ****ty anouncers and horrible camera views.

7. Tradition - Colorado Football has a tradition of winning. In Hawks tenure, 4 years at the end of the season, we are establishing a tradition of losing. This years graduating class of HS seniors will only know the Buffs as a losing program which will add to the recruiting woes.
 
Well that was depressing. My main source of encouragement comes from the fact that a) we're not alone amongst top tier programs that are currently struggling, and b) other schools have shown that a rapid turnaround is possible. A mistake today does not doom us for years, perhaps just this year. We just need to flip the right switches.
 
Well that was depressing. My main source of encouragement comes from the fact that a) we're not alone amongst top tier programs that are currently struggling, and b) other schools have shown that a rapid turnaround is possible. A mistake today does not doom us for years, perhaps just this year. We just need to flip the right switches.

Yep, and these tend to be associated with coaching changes.
 
I was reading up on the recruiting scandal again (earlier thread) and though I hate to say it I think this is what the school administration intended. We didn't get the NCAA death penalty and no one went to jail so my personal theory is that the administration decided to choke the program to death on its own. This is called the people's republic of boulder for a reason. Football represents misogyny, opression, a malecentric worldview to these people. That's why the facts of the "scandal" meant nothing to them, they were only interested in one outcome which was destroying the "rape culture" and advancing a feminist agenda. Disclosure: I'm a liberal Democrat but I really believe this to be the case. They put into place recruiting restrictions, rigid admissions standards, and provided very little money for facilities. I think Bohn has done an amazing job in the face of this open hostility to even be scratching at the door of respectability. His major mistake was thinking Hawk is something he's not. Hawk is what his record says he is but now Bohn is handcuffed to him for 3 more years. This has all just snowballed. Administration hate, money problems, bad hire, constant losing.... this is a recipe for being a bottom feeder for a long long time. I hope I'm wrong but I think I see the writing on the wall.
 
As others have pointed out, football brings in the money that supports other athletics, which tends to let the water out of this theory. Plus the school loaned the AD a bunch of money, so it would be shooting itself in the foot - do you really think it would do that purposefully?
 
It is hard for me not to look at the glass half empty at this point, but I can't help but look at the future of this program given this season and the current HC situation; which brings us to a major dilemma. On one hand, if we are successful for the remainder of the season (ie 6-1 or maybe 5-2 to finish) Hawk possibly keeps his job and we have another year of this to look forward to. On the other hand, if he continues to lose we will see the snowball effect have a major impact on the future of this program. Here is what I see as huge problems that will have a major effect on recruiting, retention, and the program/university:

1. The Players...
Simmons - Works his ass of to get here, has to jump through hoops to practice, doesn't see the field. here is a guy with only two years of eligibility to play and he gets screwed in this system and becomes wasted talent.

Hansen - last year he burns a redshirt only to play a minimal part in a sub-par season, this year he redshirts and is back to contribute to an already lost season, wastes a full year of eligibility on 2 games and (hopefully) half a season. Wasted 2 years of talent.

DS - #1 running back out of HS, splits carries and is ineffective with our weak o-line last year, hardly sees the field this year. wasted talent

Simas - I understand he has been "knicked up", but this kid can play and has seen minimal action. wasted talent (partly his fault do to personal issues which prevented him from playing in previous seasons.

2. This Offseason - unless we see a new head coach, expect another horrific offseason with players departing for greener pastures.

3. Recruiting - all this television exposure has shown possible recruits that they can come play for the Buffs and be embarassed on National TV on a regular basis and the more talented they are, the less they will play. However, I anticipate Boulder will become a mecca for the Rudy's out there playing the receiver position.

4. The entire AD - Without money being made from football, the entire athletic department is in jeopardy; it is no secret that a huge chunk of the ADs money is made from football. Without that money the AD will look to cut other sports and put our Big12 status in jeopardy as well.

5. Donations - a rapid decline in season ticket sales next year and substantial donations due to the lack of performance on the football field will substantially effect our ability to retain players, recruit players, and maintain the football team.

6. Exposure - For all of the Buffs outside of the Colorado, the opportunities to see the Buffs play on TV are going to be reduced to the CSU game and 1 or 2 blowouts against top big12 competition. And for those in the area, the game will be able to be seen on some ****ty network, not in HD, with ****ty anouncers and horrible camera views.

7. Tradition - Colorado Football has a tradition of winning. In Hawks tenure, 4 years at the end of the season, we are establishing a tradition of losing. This years graduating class of HS seniors will only know the Buffs as a losing program which will add to the recruiting woes.
You nailed it...well said. Now, get off your ass and do something to correct it. Rep.
 
As others have pointed out, football brings in the money that supports other athletics, which tends to let the water out of this theory. Plus the school loaned the AD a bunch of money, so it would be shooting itself in the foot - do you really think it would do that purposefully?

The administration is a group of people a "politburo" if you will and I'm sure they're not all on the same page. Plus I think Bohn is a wizard for wringing any money at all out of them. Your point about football sustaining the non-revenue sports is valid but I'm sure they crunched the numbers and saw that even a perennially bad football team could sustain women's soccer and volleyball and such. I think their primary motivation is not to eliminate our football program but to emasculate it and put it in its place which is to say make it irrelevant. They might have liked the money we made when we were a national power but the ancillary effects must have really gotten under their organically grown bamboo fabric panties.
 
Take a look at Baylor's ability to be dreadful in football, have a smaller stadium (with many crowds in the sub-30,000 range) and yet still receive millions in Big-12 payola.

Spend as little as possible. Still get the conference pay-off. It's certainly one way to consider.

"Find the nearest iceburg - I have an idea." -GW.
 
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