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'10 CO RB Josh Ford (PWO to Colorado)

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J.K. Mullen HS (Denver, CO)

Ht: 5-foot-10
Wt: 185
40: 4.4


Rivals has reported that Josh Ford, the 5'9" 185 lb running back from Mullen, is leaving Kansas State after 1 year. He'll be bringing his 4.4 speed to CU (and hopefully helping us recruit Adonis Ameen Moore, who he split carries with in 2008).

Ford is a walk on player, so I'm not sure whether the Big 12 rule about having to sit out 2 years when transferring in-conference would apply. I'm almost positive that the NCAA doesn't allow walk-ons to use the transfer exception in D1 football, so they have to sit out a year just like a scholarship transfer. But I'm hoping the Big 12 doesn't hit walk-ons with the 2-year wait.

It would suck for Josh to have to redshirt at KSU and then sit for 2 years at CU before he was given clearance to play any football. Seems unfair if it was 2012 and he was a junior before he was allowed to play football in a game. Anyone know on this one?
 
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I don't know the specifics but it amazes me how coaches can go wherever they want,when they want and the players have to sit out. I'm pretty sure it's 2 years if transfering to another school in conference which is a frustrating deal.
 
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buffsyko said:
I don't know the specifics but it amazes me how coaches can go wherever they want,when they want and the players have to sit out. I'm pretty sure it's 2 years if transfering to another school in conference which is a frustrating deal.
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I think its one year for a non scholly player...this happened with that running back from nubs with the 5 kids
 
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66BUFF said:
I think its one year for a non scholly player...this happened with that running back from nubs with the 5 kids
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Yeah, the "Welder" (can't think of his name). Thot that was a raw deal, since he was a walk-on and hadn't received any help from the previous school.
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

have to go look up the rule.

I know that Texas Tech kicker - the one who won a contest at halftime in 2008 and subsequently joined the team - had been a walkon at a Division II school, but never played. When he transfered to TT, he did not have to sit out one minute.

Probably different in conference, and Div 1, though.
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

My take - possibly yes. (Not an expert, but I read the NCAA section on this.)

A non-scholarship player who was not recruited and did not sign a LOI, may have a one-time exemption to transfer and play immediately at a new school.

KU would have to give unconditional release in writing.
Player needs to be a full qualifier and in good academic standing.
CU has to make the case as the "certifying school."

ncaa transfer guide (see page 20)

If you are now in a four-year school …
If you are now in a four-year school and want to transfer to another four-year school, we sometimes refer to you as a 4-4 transfer. Generally, these rules apply to you.

If you transfer from a four-year school to another four-year school, generally you are not eligible to play at the new four-year school until you spend an academic year in residence at that school.

But, do not give up yet. Read this section to see if an exception can apply to you to allow you to play right away.

Rules have exceptions:

Common exceptions if you are in a four-year school
Exceptions are applied by the new school (sometimes called the certifying school). The certifying school determines whether you are eligible to play right away without spending an academic year in residence.

The certifying school has the authority to grant exceptions, based on the conditions that we explain here:
You can use an exception during your first year of collegiate enrollment ONLY if you are a qualifier.

- If you are a partial qualifier or a nonqualifier, you must spend at least one academic year in residence before you are allowed to use an exception.

- You cannot use an exception if you are sitting out a year of residence at your current school.

- Only qualifiers are allowed to use exceptions during the first year after they enroll at the new school.

Exceptions for Divisions I and II
If this is your first transfer …
If you have never transferred before from a four-year school, you might be able to use the one-time transfer exception to play right away at a Division I or II school.

To use this exception, you must:
1. Be playing a sport other than baseball in Division I, basketball in Division I, men's ice hockey in Division I or football in Division I.

Note: In football you may be eligible to use this exception if:
a. You transfer from a Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly Division I-A)
school to a Football Championship Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA)
school and have at least two seasons of competition remaining; or
b. You transfer from a Football Championship Subdivision (formerly
I-AA) school that offers athletics scholarships to a Football Championship
Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA) that does not offer athletics scholarships.

Important Note: If you do not qualify for this exception due to any of the conditions in Subsection 1 above, you may be able to use the exception if you were not recruited by your first four-year school AND have never received an athletics scholarship.

2. Be in good academic standing and making progress toward your degree;
3. Have been considered eligible if you had stayed in your first school; and
4. Have a written release agreement from your first school saying that it does not object to your receiving an exception to the transfer residence requirement.
 
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Looks like the exemption doesn't apply to D1 Football, he will probably have to sit. Of course being a RS Frosh walk-on I wouldn't expect him to be a huge difference maker first year in anyways but maybe he will develop into a playmaker if he has the speed.
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

good. another small speed back, just what we need. And a walk on. However, I like his speed and the fact that he fleshes out the depth chart some. Welcome home son! :thumbsup:
 
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MtnBuff said:
Looks like the exemption doesn't apply to D1 Football, he will probably have to sit. Of course being a RS Frosh walk-on I wouldn't expect him to be a huge difference maker first year in anyways but maybe he will develop into a playmaker if he has the speed.
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I read that the exemption DOES cover d1 football, provided you weren't recruited, didn't sign an LOI, didn't get a scholly and didn't play. It's asking the previous school to release him that we need to hope for.
 
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AlferdJasper said:
I read that the exemption DOES cover d1 football, provided you weren't recruited, didn't sign an LOI, didn't get a scholly and didn't play. It's asking the previous school to release him that we need to hope for.
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The question is, was he recruited before he became a walk-on.... :huh:
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

AlferdJasper said:
I read that the exemption DOES cover d1 football, provided you weren't recruited, didn't sign an LOI, didn't get a scholly and didn't play. It's asking the previous school to release him that we need to hope for.
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Based on the earlier posting the exemption does not apply to D1 baseball, basketball or football.

Either way with Speedy and Sumler (I hope) back next year there will not be a lot of extra carries anyway. He may help on returns but that won't be critical. The following year we start to get thin at RB and could use another option who is familiar with the team and ready to go. Either situation welcome to him and I hope he has a great experience as a Buff.
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

He may not be a tall back, but I remember him being pretty well put together at Mullen.
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

I went back and made what I thought were the key points about D1 football transfers GREEN in my post. But honestly, I'm not sure how they interpret all the rules.

Like,
what IS the definition of "recruited"...?
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

AlferdJasper said:
I went back and made what I thought were the key points about D1 football transfers GREEN in my post. But honestly, I'm not sure how they interpret all the rules.

Like,
what IS the definition of "recruited"...?
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Yeah, now there's a vague one the ncaa could jump all over. I feel for the young man. Kinda sux having to sit the year when you weren't on scholarship to begin with. Hope it works out well for him.
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

buffaholic said:
can you be recruited as a walk-on?
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I supposed if you took an official visit and were not offered. Which can happen.

But unless both Scout and Rivals have big gaps in their records, Ford did NOT visit KSU as a recruit, no official visit listed.
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

Awesome news....this guys was fun to watch, especially because him & Ameen Moore complemented each other very well at Mullen...he has the talent to make it & fight for some PT here, so a good addition to our depleted RB squad
 
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TheEvilBeak said:
Yes, you can. Rules are a little different. You are only allowe contact at a certain time. nothing on going.
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My question was more of how do they define it. All invited or preferred walkons are recruited and I was one of them once upon a time a million years ago. My own kid was also one just a few years ago. I do not believe the rules are different. Recruiting rules are the rules.

As someone previously pointed out, the plumber/RB from Nebraska who had tried to walk-on at NU and Callahan wouldn't consider him went to class that whole year and still had to sit 1 year at CU due to transfer. Never played for NU or appeared on a roster.
 
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I knew about this a couple of weeks ago, BTW.
 
Re: Transfer: Josh Ford (Mullen)

dbt said:
i knew about this a couple of weeks ago, started to post something, got distracted by an episode of Murder She Wrote, took a nap, forgot about it until now, and... hey, Matlock's on.
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fify
 
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