That's good. I was going to equate it to a girl with a black eye showing up at another girl's door and telling her that she needs to avoid this asshole. But the new girl sees the guys shiny Mustang and goes off with him anyways.
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Pac 12 TV Deal with FOX+ESPN, worth $250m per year according to NYT
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That's good. I was going to equate it to a girl with a black eye showing up at another girl's door and telling her that she needs to avoid this asshole. But the new girl sees the guys shiny Mustang and goes off with him anyways.
What happened after you got in the mustang?
Butsec :sad1:
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GoBruinz
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The only one I could see maybe would be New Mexico. Otherwise IMO the Pac 12 would go for some of your ex-Big XII brethren, like OU, KU, and potentially even Tech. Texas has no incentive to leave their feifdom, but a school that was on the "outside looking in" like KU has numerous reasons to be looking elsewhere.
No way UCLA, Cal, etc. allow a San Diego State or Fresno State into the league. Colorado would probably veto Colorado State (not sure about this -- you all know the politics better than I do). Boise is a glorified community college, again Cal, Stanford, etc. would say hell no. UNLV is in the same boat.
I think it takes a unanimous vote to allow new members in, so the hurdles will be very high to go to 16. Only a few schools would be able to go over those hurdles.
At the end of the day I hope we stick at 12 for as long as feasible (i.e. no other conference expands to force our hand).
superdeluxe
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Does New Mexico bring enough revenue to offset having another hand in the cookie jar?
Don´t say you weren´t warned.
Stanford's approval is still the biggest hurdle to getting new schools into the Pac12 still IMO due to the unanimous vote require. And yes SDSU, UNLV, CSU, ect would not at this point pass any test involving Cal, Stanford, and UCLA administration, and I might throw USC in there since they are at least on the rise as a reputable university and their athletic side is very worried about the conference (and conference $$) being diluted too much. Another thing is that there is basically no way expansion takes place unless the old Pac 8 is a division. CA schools want to stay together and the NW schools are not happy about losing yearly games in LA.
one exception to the above statement is if four 16 team super conferences becomes some kind of requirement for a 4 team football playoff (with the CCG being a pseudo 1st round). If that's not happening, let's please stay at 12.
The same argument was made against CU and UU. If the move to 16 were to bring in significant benefits above and beyond a 12 team league, adding a school like UNM might make the league rich enough to expand everyone's despite the new teams bringing smaller markets to the table. That's exactly what happen with CU and especially UU joining the pac 10. I hate to start that argument since CU and UU have been crapped on a lot by some in CA and the NW (especially Jon Wilner) for not bringing enough to the table in terms of market share. The problem is that unless Texas is involved, any possible expansion target would have and still will dilute the pac whatever due to CA's size. But as we just saw, even though we reduced the average # of households per school with the expansion, money per school went up... a lot.
Again, I don't see pac 12 members looking to go to 16 unless it's required to get a playoff going. If that does happen, there's no guarantee texas would go west - maybe they can build the b12 into one of the 4 super conferences and let the ACC and Big East get poached. So the Pac would have to react somehow to go to 16. Who knows if 4 super conferences and auto bids to a 4 team playoff wouldn't draw the same scrutiny as the BCS in terms of teams left out and their congressmen looking for anti-trust violations.
If there is no strong $$$$$ reason to go to 16 w/o texas, schools like UNM, or anyone in the MWC, won't happen. Ever.
I actually think that UNM and BYU might be good additions to the B12 if that ever happens. B12 doesn't need anyone else in Texas because it owns that market, and more fodder for obliteration that is geographically close makes sense. Arkansas is not leaving the SEC, so not many other choices.
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I agree and I like the current lay out of the P12 just fine. Might be the novelty factor and while some North division schools are probably unhappy about the conference alignment and the fact they lose games against the CA schools for recruiting purposes, I, personally, and from CU´s perspective, don´t dislike one thing that´s happened since we joined.
superdeluxe
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If this happens, then Larry Scott has done his due diligence, I won't worry
superdeluxe
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I can't emphasize this strongly enough: we do not want Texas in our conference. Period. A better analagy than the pretty girl who's high maintenance is the supermodel with AIDS. She looks so damn good that you screw her and in return you're a diseased corpse. If we really want into the Central time zone, we should look at Kansas and Oklahoma. Both are solid academic institutions with a good tradition of athletic success and fans spread throughout the country who will pay for the cable/dish systems to see their team play. More importantly, they don't have the soul crushing greed and conference killing hubris that UT has.
I'm dead serious about this. Texas is the very last school any conference should want.
Despite all the concerns over the soul crushing UT before all attitude, Texas politics, and trying to stack the deck in terms of schedules (why should we ever leave the State of Texas in November?), I'm sure a lot of the stakeholders for the traditional PAC schools (and I'm not including the AZ schools here) would assume that the "contagion" would be contained to the Eastern conference. From their perspective its a move back to their roots since they would almost be back to the old PAC 8. Its the newbies, and the AZ schools being thrown to the wolves.
At minimum I would not want this to happen until we had like 4 - 5 years to get our mojo back. I do think we would have a chance to recruit Texas better than when we were stuck in the North, but I think for whatever reason a lot of Texas recruits are less likely to want to go out of state to a school like Colorado than Texas guys.
At minimum I would not want this to happen until we had like 4 - 5 years to get our mojo back. I do think we would have a chance to recruit Texas better than when we were stuck in the North, but I think for whatever reason a lot of Texas recruits are less likely to want to go out of state to a school like Colorado than Texas guys.
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GoBruinz
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Well, the good news is now that CU is "in", it could veto adding Texas if it wanted to.
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FlatironsBuff
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I see we are getting more PAC posters in here. Good deal. Utah's fan website is as painful at lame-nation and 'the other site that shall not be named'.
Del
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Honestly I think we are fine avoiding Texas now that Utah is in because that would really only leave 4 spots. At a minimum to get Texas to join, you'll have to invite Tech and Aggy both so thats 3 spots right there with one remaining. Baylor will be butt hurt again and want in which we know will get shot down inside the Pac-12. So you'll have that pressure again along with Oklahoma and OSU trying to hitch their wagon to UT. Throw in the fact that UT is still making more money than anybody right now with their own network and a BCS conference to park all of their other sports and I don't think they will be wanting to leave anytime soon.Beebe also mentioned adding in stiffer penalties for leaving after inking the new Big XII deal which makes it harder for schools like KU, OU and Mizzou to bolt.
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ScottyBuff
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The only way that a Pac-16 is possible is if either the SEC or Big 10 raids some of the remaining members of the Big 12, or provides a place for the others to land.
However, we've already seen that "big wigs" whether it is politicians or TV executives, do NOT want a consolidation of the elite conferences any further than what we have now.
IMO, the next round of expansion will occur between the Big East/Big 12/Conference USA/WAC. I can see the Big East membership splitting between football and non-football interests in the right scenario. They are the next BCS conference to negotiate rights so that will go a long way to determining the conference stability in its current form. If they are able to create value in the ballpark, or better, than the Big 12's deal, then maybe they could entice three members of the Big 12 to join and the Big East would split between football and non-football members. Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas State would seem to be the natural targets in that scenario and would fit with TCU, Louisville, and Cincy in a "western" division.
That would obviously be the final blow to the status of the Big 12, who would either take the easy approach by going after Memphis and/or New Mexico to get to 8 or 9 members, or launch a desperate all-out war to get LSU and Arky to leave the SEC, creating a new domino falling in the east that would impact the ACC, Big East, and Conference USA. The SEC would obviously "counter-strike" the Big 12 by inviting Aggy, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and maybe even Baylor if they felt they had to. This would spark the "super-conference" bonanza, with the Pac-12 wooing Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State. If we could outbid the SEC for the Okie schools, then they would turn their attention to ACC and Big East targets (possibly even former Big 12ers Mizzou and the Kansas schools). Poor little Iowa State would be left with no suitors unless the Big Ten felt generous (doubtful). Speaking of the Big Ten, this scenario might put their Eastern seaboard expansion plans back on the table, causing further dominos falling in the east.
Or the Big East will remain the way they are now, and nothing will happen on the realingment front.
However, we've already seen that "big wigs" whether it is politicians or TV executives, do NOT want a consolidation of the elite conferences any further than what we have now.
IMO, the next round of expansion will occur between the Big East/Big 12/Conference USA/WAC. I can see the Big East membership splitting between football and non-football interests in the right scenario. They are the next BCS conference to negotiate rights so that will go a long way to determining the conference stability in its current form. If they are able to create value in the ballpark, or better, than the Big 12's deal, then maybe they could entice three members of the Big 12 to join and the Big East would split between football and non-football members. Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas State would seem to be the natural targets in that scenario and would fit with TCU, Louisville, and Cincy in a "western" division.
That would obviously be the final blow to the status of the Big 12, who would either take the easy approach by going after Memphis and/or New Mexico to get to 8 or 9 members, or launch a desperate all-out war to get LSU and Arky to leave the SEC, creating a new domino falling in the east that would impact the ACC, Big East, and Conference USA. The SEC would obviously "counter-strike" the Big 12 by inviting Aggy, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and maybe even Baylor if they felt they had to. This would spark the "super-conference" bonanza, with the Pac-12 wooing Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State. If we could outbid the SEC for the Okie schools, then they would turn their attention to ACC and Big East targets (possibly even former Big 12ers Mizzou and the Kansas schools). Poor little Iowa State would be left with no suitors unless the Big Ten felt generous (doubtful). Speaking of the Big Ten, this scenario might put their Eastern seaboard expansion plans back on the table, causing further dominos falling in the east.
Or the Big East will remain the way they are now, and nothing will happen on the realingment front.
superdeluxe
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Yeah the Utefans boards are horrendous, but there is cougaruteforum.com that has a good amount of Ute fans.
superdeluxe
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A&M wants SEC, UT/OU wants Pac-xx, Tech and OSU will tag along with big brother.
baylor is the only wrench in those plans.
A while back we had a bunch of those cougar fans come over here pretending to be ute fans and making asses of themselves. It was pretty odd.
SuperiorBuff
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As long as the vote requirement for expansion remains unanimous and CU has anyone in the AD old enough to remember the destruction of the Big 8/12 this is a dead issue.
superdeluxe
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OU wants P16, besides OU is tied to the hip with OSU
edit: I can find the article that addresses this if you want.
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In all honesty, the best scenario for the Pac would be to pick up KU, OU, UNM and Houston. Houston doesn't add anything substantial, athletics wise. But they do help gain access into the Texas television market without the need to add the whorns to the mix. OU would bring a lot of Northern Texas TV sets as well. The addition of these four teams would add the television markets of Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Albuquerque, Dallas and Houston. I would suspect that would be acretive to the bottom line of the conference. It would accomplish what we want to accomplish without the jackassery associated with UT.
I don't know how the folks at KSU and OSU would take to such an arrangement, though. Frankly, I really don't care.
I don't know how the folks at KSU and OSU would take to such an arrangement, though. Frankly, I really don't care.
superdeluxe
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You can't take Oklahoma without OSU, Boone pickens would make sure of that..that is the word that a couple of my online OU buddies are telling me.
Anyways, those four schools do not bring in enough revenue to offset them getting a piece of the pie. Houston and New Mexico? Houston is not even the top team in Houston, I believe A&M is. Sure with UNM, you might get alberqerque, but that football program is in shambles.
Mick Ronson
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superdeluxe: OU does not want the Pac. you couldn't be more wrong. my step-Dad is an OU donor and did legal work for the AD for 25 years. he negotiated Billy Tubbs' Converse deals, personally. no one at OU wants the Pac. when the original 16 team offer was made by the Pac, the idea of it was unanimously unpopular. all you had to do was surf their boards to see it. they hated the idea.
superdeluxe
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http://newsok.com/texas-network-a-blow-to-whatever-stability-big-12-has-left/article/3536730
Not sure what OU boards you were looking at, but I think the idea was fairly popular.