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How many 2018 assistants will Mel Tucker retain?

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Still hoping HCMT reals in Vic So’oto for or OLB coach.
Stealing Johnny Nansen from USC is not realistic or Roy Manning from UCLA either though that would be great.
How about Scott White the former UCLA LB coach? He just took a position at SJSU, but we should be able to get him. Was Pac12 recruiter of the year in 2016.
I don’t know of any LB coaches with TX ties that I would like as much as those 4.
 
So'oto or White would be great. What happened to White? UCLA LB coach to San Jose State defensive analyst, now LB coach.
 
buffaholic said:
Discussing addition of Perry on Cubuffs.com


You really should just stop.
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I never said nickel won't be used a lot, just that having 7 up front will be more common than 5. If we trot out 6 defensive backs 30% of the time we are going to get ran over every game other than Washington State.
 
onealcd said:
I never said nickel won't be used a lot, just that having 7 up front will be more common than 5. If we trot out 6 defensive backs 30% of the time we are going to get ran over every game other than Washington State.
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You actually unsuccessfully tried once again to call me out, and you are wrong again. If your personal mission is to destroy my enjoyment of this board, you're close to success.

Mel Tucker is stating that 7 man fronts will be on the field 10% of the time. My original point stands.

Stop trolling me or I will put you back on ignore. I'd rather not, as you often have good insight, but not when you do what you attempted to do here. Stop.
 
buffaholic said:
You actually unsuccessfully tried once again to call me out, and you are wrong again. If your personal mission is to destroy my enjoyment of this board, you're close to success.

Mel Tucker is stating that 7 man fronts will be on the field 10% of the time. My original point stands.

Stop trolling me or I will put you back on ignore. I'd rather not, as you often have good insight, but not when you do what you attempted to do here. Stop.
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Please put me on ignore I couldn’t care less. I guarantee you there will be more seven man fronts than 5, if that is trolling you I don’t really care.
 
onealcd said:
Please put me on ignore I couldn’t care less. I guarantee you there will be more seven man fronts than 5, if that is trolling you I don’t really care.
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Trolling is when you stated "now I know you are making stuff up" and I then find the quote from Mr Melvin Tucker and you don't bother to admit that calling me out wrongly, in that manner. Admitting you're wrong is not in you're playbook, but that's a small issue, compared to your ****ty way of attacking me as quoted above. So **** off.
 
onealcd said:
I never said nickel won't be used a lot, just that having 7 up front will be more common than 5. If we trot out 6 defensive backs 30% of the time we are going to get ran over every game other than Washington State.
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What percentage of time was CU in 7 man front in 2018? I rearely recall Taylor on the LOS. Or Wells and Callier in game at same time up front. I seem to recall many dimes.
 
hawg1 said:
What percentage of time was CU in 7 man front in 2018? I rearely recall Taylor on the LOS. Or Wells and Callier in game at same time up front. I seem to recall many dimes.
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I don’t recall very much dime at all but we did have two really athletic linebackers who moved from the edge to the flat/man quite a bit. We also didn’t have a lot of depth at corner and safety so that might have prohibited it a little bit. Either way using dime that often is not going to go well, especially because we aren’t as talented on the defensive line as a lot of other teams in the conference.
 
The original point was that Summers would have less positional coaching responsibilities if he were to coach OLB's versus Safeties/Nickels. I think that is fairly obvious. Especially if you consider that OLB has 2 entrenched starters when we play 2. And we have a bunch of ??? at S with Maddox, Rake, and the incoming true freshmen.

I could see this go either way depending on who the candidates are. If there is a home-run hire at S coach then move Summers to OLB.
 
I've always felt the defense they have played the majority of the time has been more of a 4-2-5 than a true 3-4. Callier/Wells position is more of the one true OLB, with Taylor as more of a hybrid player who has OLB/S responsibilities. I think the vast majority of the defensive scheme is going to be spent with a "front six" rather than 5 or 7.
 
cu62nu36 said:
The original point was that Summers would have less positional coaching responsibilities if he were to coach OLB's versus Safeties/Nickels. I think that is fairly obvious. Especially if you consider that OLB has 2 entrenched starters when we play 2. And we have a bunch of ??? at S with Maddox, Rake, and the incoming true freshmen.

I could see this go either way depending on who the candidates are. If there is a home-run hire at S coach then move Summers to OLB.
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I just think that OLB/pass rush is so important that you can’t just put a coach there because there is less responsibility for him. Our head coach is also a defensive back guy so go get a big time OLB coach and if summers needs help he can use tucker when he does.
 
onealcd said:
I don’t recall very much dime at all but we did have two really athletic linebackers who moved from the edge to the flat/man quite a bit. We also didn’t have a lot of depth at corner and safety so that might have prohibited it a little bit. Either way using dime that often is not going to go well, especially because we aren’t as talented on the defensive line as a lot of other teams in the conference.
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10 percent: 7 up front (other than short yardage)
20 percent: BB off LOS; looks like 4-2-5.
50 percent: nickel; looks like 4-2-5 but no BB, but a rather a true slot corner.
20: percent: dime

That’s my guess.

I think Callier, Wells and Taylor are all weak for the way MT will eventually want to play a true 3-4 with press corners.
 
hawg1 said:
10 percent: 7 up front (other than short yardage)
20 percent: BB off LOS
50 percent: nickle
20: percent: dime

That’s my guess.

I think Callier, Wells and Taylor are all weak for the way MT will eventually want to play a true 3-4 with press corners.
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Can Taylor play Safety? 6'2" 220 lbs but one of the fastest and more athletic guys on the defense.
 
hawg1 said:
10 percent: 7 up front (other than short yardage)
20 percent: BB off LOS; looks like 4-2-5.
50 percent: nickel; looks like 4-2-5 but no BB, but a rather a true slot corner.
20: percent: dime

That’s my guess.

I think Callier, Wells and Taylor are all weak for the way MT will eventually want to play a true 3-4 with press corners.
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I definitely disagree on Wells and Taylor, those guys were new and got better and better as the season and I really like using them as a pair with the different skill sets they use.

I see about 20% traditional 3-4 with Landman and the jack backer whoever that ends up being (Ham, Van Diest, Allen) and two outside backers (Wells and Taylor probably being the starters)
70% Nickel: Sub out the Jack backer for another corner, can also sub out Wells for a more athletic backer, although he does a pretty good job in coverage considering his size
10% Dime: 3rd and long situations mostly
 
onealcd said:
I definitely disagree on Wells and Taylor, those guys were new and got better and better as the season and I really like using them as a pair with the different skill sets they use.

I see about 20% traditional 3-4 with Landman and the jack backer whoever that ends up being (Ham, Van Diest, Allen) and two outside backers (Wells and Taylor probably being the starters)
70% Nickel: Sub out the Jack backer for another corner, can also sub out Wells for a more athletic backer, although he does a pretty good job in coverage considering his size
10% Dime: 3rd and long situations mostly
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Maybe I got jaded by the talent on the field watching UGA, Bama and others late in the year, but Wells and Taylor just don’t seem to look or play the same as true 3-4 OLBs.
 
hawg1 said:
Maybe I got jaded by the talent on the field watching UGA, Bama and others late in the year, but Wells and Taylor just don’t seem to look or play the same as true 3-4 OLBs.
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Taylor is clearly not a true 3-4 OLB. Wells can be.
 
Duff Man said:
Taylor is clearly not a true 3-4 OLB. Wells can be.
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Closer than Taylor for sure. But not like Bama 33.

Gives up edge too much for me. Not a good rusher, thus Callier. I look forward to seeing what MT does with this position in the future.
 
I found a couple of links about Tyson Summers. The first is an opinionated article by an Orlando reporter that was very upset lose him to CSU.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/spo...ors-tyson-summers-mcelwain-20141229-post.html

And the other is a video when when Tyson Summers was promoted to DC at UCF. He really looks good in this video.


I initially underestimated him as our DC hire. He may be a really good pick up.
 
Taylor is a freak, but he has Track Speed and sometimes not good hips for coverage. Watching DB and SAFETY drills at the Combine shows how fluid hips are the most important thing for those players. He was shredded in the USC game, and if he is better suited for a Box Safety, he has to be able to cover Tight Ends or quickly cover his zone. I think you keep him in the Buff Backer spot and use him on long 2nd downs and passing 3rd downs. He is not an every down player. He has no real pass rush moves, which he can learn, but I would love to see him used more creatively on blitzes and other pass rushing plans. Taylor is closer to a Jabrill Peppers type of NFL player, and he will get better every day with good coaching.
 
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4BienemyTDs said:
Taylor is a freak, but he has Track Speed and sometimes not good hips for coverage. Watching DB and SAFETY drills at the Combine shows how fluid hips are the most important thing for those players. He was shredded in the USC game, and if he is better suited for a Box Safety, he has to be able to cover Tight Ends or quickly cover his zone. I think you keep him in the Buff Backer spot and use him on long 2nd downs and passing 3rd downs. He is not an every down player. He has no real pass rush moves, which he can learn, but I would love to see him used more creatively on blitzes and other pass rushing plans. Taylor is closer to a Julius Peppers type of NFL player, and he will get better every day with good coaching.
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I assume you mean Jabril Peppers since Julius is a HOF defensive end. Regardless, Taylor is far too athletic and talented to not be an every down player for THIS team. If he was playing for a team like USC, Washington, or Oregon, they could probably get away with having him as a specialist type player in certain personnel groups, but he's arguably the 2nd or 3rd best player on the defense. They need to find a way for him to be on the field 90% of the time.
 
TSchekler said:
I assume you mean Jabril Peppers since Julius is a HOF defensive end. Regardless, Taylor is far too athletic and talented to not be an every down player for THIS team. If he was playing for a team like USC, Washington, or Oregon, they could probably get away with having him as a specialist type player in certain personnel groups, but he's arguably the 2nd or 3rd best player on the defense. They need to find a way for him to be on the field 90% of the time.
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My bad, I fixed my own mistake. I agree he needs to be on the field, but maybe he is at Safety or Nickel on 1st down and then in a hybrid pass rush on passing downs. Watching what the LA Chargers did to the Ravens in the playoff game with 7 DB's the whole game was pretty amazing. It killed me to watch Gamboa in on obvious passing 3rd downs trying to cover his zone or chasing after a TE. Made my heart hurt!
 
4BienemyTDs said:
My bad, I fixed my own mistake. I agree he needs to be on the field, but maybe he is at Safety or Nickel on 1st down and then in a hybrid pass rush on passing downs. Watching what the LA Chargers did to the Ravens in the playoff game with 7 DB's the whole game was pretty amazing. It killed me to watch Gamboa in on obvious passing 3rd downs trying to cover his zone or chasing after a TE. Made my heart hurt!
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He was always chasing from the right position....
 
TSchekler said:
Right, but you consistently look to Alabama as the benchmark, which is just not realistic, regardless of anything that's been said by Rick George and MT.
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Hmmm. It's unfair to judge our current players by what Alabama has, but there was a time when these four guys were our starting linebackers.

Alfred Williams (Butkis Award, 1st round, All-Pro)
Chad Brown (2nd round, 3 Pro Bowls)
Greg Biekert (7th round, 11 year career)
Kanavis McGhee (2nd round, 5 year career. Almost certainly a 1st rounder with a better pro career without the knee injury.)

Very Alabama-like. I'm repeating myself, but it's been done before. It can be done again. Not overnight, but it can be done. No excuses program.
 
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