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Baylor Rape HQ - (major lawsuit settled)
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The self-righteousness is STRONG here at Allbuffs.
Yikes.
If you cannot see the difference between the two situations (and they are huge), you really are pretty dumb.
Their program should get hammered, only problem is a lot of other kids that didn't do anything get punished too. I realize about the deal where they will let them out of their LOI. Just a pretty ****ed up situation, and the heads are to blame. It's their jobs to run the program, period. Death Penalty? Whether it's deserved or not, I don't see it happening.
So are you saying that the atmosphere at CU that led to those situations was perfect and exemplary? If not, perhaps maybe a little more humble attitude is in order and maybe not jump on the high horse pointing self-righteous fingers at Baylor.
You're reviewing my posts and posting Memes yourself and you can't understand how other people find the time? Really? Read what you just wrote and think about it for a second.
No atmosphere is perfect but if you cannot see the difference I don't know what to tell you. Baylor sacrificed everything to win football games the last couple years and it caught up with them. Baylor fostered this atmosphere, Colorado did not.
I don't want anybody to think I'm defending bailer. They have a lot invested in their football program, though. They aren't going to throw that away just to satisfy us. I'm not sure why we would actually expect them to do anything differently.
I like the buffs. Are there any point break forums? Maybe you can start one.
if the program subverts the legal process by coercing/intimidating victims into not pressing charges or working with the police to quash the investigation then yeah
What you consider to be program suicide and what they consider to be program suicide are two very different things.
The only people that think this is ironic are the people who think apples and oranges are the same fruit.
You are being willfully wrongheaded or naive to think that Baylor's situation is the same as CU's. For three things:
- In your timeline of events, I do not see one instance wherein a CU football player was charged with rape or domestic violence. At Baylor, MULTIPLE players have not only been charged, but have been convicted. Moreover, the CU players who were charged with providing alcohol to minors were dismissed from the team the following day, whereas Baylor tried to keep players who had been charged with domestic or sexual assault eligible for participation on the team.
- From the time that the original accusation was made to the time that severe sanctions were imposed at CU was about 2 years. This is too slow, frankly, but not nearly as slow as Baylor taking 4 years to make ANY changes after original allegations.
- Local prosecutors worked with administrators at CU against the football team, whereas at Baylor the greater administration worked with the AD to pressure local law enforcement.
Baylor has not. They have dragged their feet every step of the way, and continue to do so, resulting in exactly one termination (maybe!) to date.
I see no obvious irony in the above position.
No one is saying that. The football program was guilty of some wrongdoing. Players involved got removed from the team. University investigated thoroughly and imposed draconian regulations on team activities, especially as it related to recruiting and even admissions.
However, there was never a prosecution and there was never an NCAA penalty. Perception was much worse than reality. The thing that the University did wrong was in its media management in the face of alum Rick Reilly leading the pitchfork brigade.
College students drink and party. Minors are often involved. Sex occurs. Lots of female students are victims of sexual assault (25% by some accounts). A football team is not immune to these types of things occurring or being alleged to have occurred. But in CU's case, we actually see a university administration that went above and beyond the pale to investigate, punish and regulate the future activities of its football program. CU looks bad mostly because it took things so seriously and accepted a beating over things it was as upset about (maybe more so) than the media and public. That's where the irony lies.
So you feel entitled for lots of self-righteousness?
Ignore is a beautiful thing...
Fair point. I do concede there is a better argument to be made for NCAA intervention here than at Penn State, but I think you start really delving into some uneasy questions about punishment. Is blatant paying of players or other improper benefits infractions suddenly not as bad compared to a situation involving some much larger morality issues?
Well, all I know is this situation is just getting started. It's hardly over.
the dip**** is strong with you
It is also important to note that Baylor has been here before with a high-profile basketball scandal. Given the serious nature of that scandal, you would think a school would be more vigilant than most going forward. Instead they went the other way.
CFT are you even a CU fan because you don't sound like one. Yeah self righteousness isn't strong in Waco or anything.
This post assumes a choice has to be made.
Are you trying to make the argument that the self-righteous is good?
One should hope there is a way to turn a program around in a timely manner, doing it the right way.
No. I am saying that a quick turnaround does not need to involve selling your soul as a program.
You are seriously lost in this thread.
Sometimes, people aren't lost. They just are heading in the wrong direction on purpose.
I am a CU fan. I don't give a hoot about BU. BU losing their outstanding coach can only help the teams I like. I'm not a homer and I like to call it like I see it. CU obsessing on BU's situation, by any account, seems out of order given CU's history, real or certainly perceived by the rest of the college football world.
Yes, that's essentially my point, CU calling out BU for self righteousness, only to have CU engage in the same behavior. Probably best for CU fans to STFU on this subject.