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College Football Realignment

Let's say that the B1G and SEC both go to 24 members to swallow up the rest of the value and form the super leagues.

B1G is currently at 18 members.
SEC is currently at 16 members.

Let's say that they keep the North/South configuration.

SEC poaches 5 (Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson and North Carolina) from the ACC. (21 total)
B1G poaches 4 (Virginia, Notre Dame, Cal and Stanford) from the ACC. (22 total)

SEC now needs 3 from the Big 12 and the B1G needs 2.

How would you feel if it broke this way with the B1G taking Kansas and Utah, then with the SEC taking Texas Tech, Arizona State and Colorado? Or would you prefer trading spots with Kansas?

B1G would have: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Notre Dame, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia

SEC would have: ASU, TTU, Texas, Oklahoma, Mizzou, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Auburn, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina
 
Buffnik said:
Let's say that the B1G and SEC both go to 24 members to swallow up the rest of the value and form the super leagues.

B1G is currently at 18 members.
SEC is currently at 16 members.

Let's say that they keep the North/South configuration.

SEC poaches 5 (Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson and North Carolina) from the ACC. (21 total)
B1G poaches 4 (Virginia, Notre Dame, Cal and Stanford) from the ACC. (22 total)

SEC now needs 3 from the Big 12 and the B1G needs 2.

How would you feel if it broke this way with the B1G taking Kansas and Utah, then with the SEC taking Texas Tech, Arizona State and Colorado? Or would you prefer trading spots with Kansas?

B1G would have: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Notre Dame, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia

SEC would have: ASU, TTU, Texas, Oklahoma, Mizzou, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Auburn, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina
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I think what you're laying out here is the most likely path to a superleague.

Given the conference structures and ethos, I feel like "the academic" part of the university would be more supportive of less antagonistic towards the AD in B1G. [This goes back to "other" things the B1G does that the SEC does not: common purchasing agreements, conference invitation priorities/discounts, grad school admissions / post-doc training preferences, etc.

I feel like that sentiment would go in the opposite direction if CU were in the SEC: the "academic side" would become even more antagonistic towards the AD.

Note: not saying anything about should/should not: simply saying what I think would happen in the two scenarios.

Due to the above, I would prefer the B1G as I think a better campus relationship would be much better for both the AD and university as a whole.

As a sports fan who likes to occasionally go on road trips to see my team play (and often can't until November rolls around), gimme the SEC every time.
 
Just my regular reminder that like cardinality of the power conferences has never been a driver in expansion decisions.

I've seen no evidence to convince me that's changed.
 
Buffnik said:
Let's say that the B1G and SEC both go to 24 members to swallow up the rest of the value and form the super leagues.

B1G is currently at 18 members.
SEC is currently at 16 members.

Let's say that they keep the North/South configuration.

SEC poaches 5 (Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson and North Carolina) from the ACC. (21 total)
B1G poaches 4 (Virginia, Notre Dame, Cal and Stanford) from the ACC. (22 total)

SEC now needs 3 from the Big 12 and the B1G needs 2.

How would you feel if it broke this way with the B1G taking Kansas and Utah, then with the SEC taking Texas Tech, Arizona State and Colorado? Or would you prefer trading spots with Kansas?

B1G would have: USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Notre Dame, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia

SEC would have: ASU, TTU, Texas, Oklahoma, Mizzou, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Auburn, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina
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skibum said:
I think what you're laying out here is the most likely path to a superleague.

Given the conference structures and ethos, I feel like "the academic" part of the university would be more supportive of less antagonistic towards the AD in B1G. [This goes back to "other" things the B1G does that the SEC does not: common purchasing agreements, conference invitation priorities/discounts, grad school admissions / post-doc training preferences, etc.

I feel like that sentiment would go in the opposite direction if CU were in the SEC: the "academic side" would become even more antagonistic towards the AD.

Note: not saying anything about should/should not: simply saying what I think would happen in the two scenarios.

Due to the above, I would prefer the B1G as I think a better campus relationship would be much better for both the AD and university as a whole.

As a sports fan who likes to occasionally go on road trips to see my team play (and often can't until November rolls around), gimme the SEC every time.
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TV has a limited number of valuable slots during a week to put games in. Valuable being a time window where you would have high probability of gaining large audience. Games being events of a quality level that will attract that large audience.

There is a lot of math for TV to do as to wether its worth it to add these teams for that idea when you already have tOSU, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon or Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Texas and aTm among many other lessor options to fill that schedule. And people are cutting the cord. Night time TV games lose one of the coasts pretty quickly. I dont think the cable or streaming audiences have ever come close to the OTA audience. TV has already stretched out the season to more and more dates (bye weeks) to get more inventory on the air.

FOX and ABC/ESPN are the aggressive spenders. NBC and CBS have mostly been interested in partial shares. Unless that changes with the last two the situation probably stays the way it currently is.
 
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In the end, I'd love to be in a division of the superleague that consisted of:
Colorado,
Nebraska,
Kansas,
Mizzou,
Oklahoma,
Iowa,
Illinois,
Notre Dame.

Basically, the state flagships plus ND.
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I would probably throw in ASU as well. Because after playing in some crappy Midwest weather, an afternoon in Phoenix would be nice.
 
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skibum said:
I think what you're laying out here is the most likely path to a superleague.

Given the conference structures and ethos, I feel like "the academic" part of the university would be more supportive of less antagonistic towards the AD in B1G. [This goes back to "other" things the B1G does that the SEC does not: common purchasing agreements, conference invitation priorities/discounts, grad school admissions / post-doc training preferences, etc.

I feel like that sentiment would go in the opposite direction if CU were in the SEC: the "academic side" would become even more antagonistic towards the AD.

Note: not saying anything about should/should not: simply saying what I think would happen in the two scenarios.

Due to the above, I would prefer the B1G as I think a better campus relationship would be much better for both the AD and university as a whole.

As a sports fan who likes to occasionally go on road trips to see my team play (and often can't until November rolls around), gimme the SEC every time.
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Funny thing is, I feel like the top half of the SEC is stronger, academically, than the top half of the Big 12.
 
BuffWarHogFrog said:
Funny thing is, I feel like the top half of the SEC is stronger, academically, than the top half of the Big 12.
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Going by AAU & Shanghai ranks, Vanderbilt, Texas, Texas A&M, Florida, Missouri is a strong Top 5 for the SEC. Big 12 would not be quite as strong with Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, Utah, Arizona State. Beyond that, I don't see the Big 12 being better than the SEC by any significant difference. I think the SEC is the stronger academic conference.

I'd rank as:
1. B1G
2. ACC
3. SEC
4. Big 12
5. AAC
 
Buffnik said:
Going by AAU & Shanghai ranks, Vanderbilt, Texas, Texas A&M, Florida, Missouri is a strong Top 5 for the SEC. Big 12 would not be quite as strong with Colorado, Arizona, Kansas, Utah, Arizona State. Beyond that, I don't see the Big 12 being better than the SEC by any significant difference. I think the SEC is the stronger academic conference.

I'd rank as:
1. B1G
2. ACC
3. SEC
4. Big 12
5. AAC
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Don’t forget UGA. And I’d put Bama, Auburn, SC up against any mid-tier conference schools
 
Yet I keep seeing Colorado being ignored by media pundits in realignment discussions. Don't believe it. These numbers go back a lot farther than the Coach Prime era and includes possibly the worst 2-year period in CU football history.
 
InTheBuff said:
I'll believe it when I see it actually happening.
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The top 8 on that list plus UNC and UVA is probably the list.

Then find 4 more to capture market presence where it's missing such as San Francisco and Phoenix.

If it's about the money (and it always is), I wouldn't be surprised if UConn sneaks in as the New England bridge. I read that if circumstances warrant, they have plans to expand their stadium to somewhere between 50-60k. And we know that ESPN backs them being elevated since they have been trying to push them on the Big 12.
 
tante said:
Why do Purdue and Rutgers have a landing spot in hypothetical conference realignment, both programs are bottom half of FBS viewership and have no real historical or current relevance.
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Nothing to back it but I think that if things continue to progress the way they are we will eventually see the conferences including the B1G and SEC disolved, at least for football and probably basketball purposes.

Part of the reason for doing this will be to allow them to cut dead weight. Rutgers even without great numbers gives them the NY/NJ media market. Purdue doesn't have that in it's favor.

I could see when it all happens and we have 30-45 teams left in the big money group some traditional schools like Purdue, Northwestern UCLA as well as Miss State, South Carolina, even maybe a Vandy left out in the cold as well as most of the ACC and B12.

The people calling the shots are all about tradition, and their favorite tradition when money is on the table is to grab as much as they can. Hundreds of millions of dollars will buy them a lot memory loss about traditions.
 
MtnBuff said:
Nothing to back it but I think that if things continue to progress the way they are we will eventually see the conferences including the B1G and SEC disolved, at least for football and probably basketball purposes.

Part of the reason for doing this will be to allow them to cut dead weight. Rutgers even without great numbers gives them the NY/NJ media market. Purdue doesn't have that in it's favor.

I could see when it all happens and we have 30-45 teams left in the big money group some traditional schools like Purdue, Northwestern UCLA as well as Miss State, South Carolina, even maybe a Vandy left out in the cold as well as most of the ACC and B12.

The people calling the shots are all about tradition, and their favorite tradition when money is on the table is to grab as much as they can. Hundreds of millions of dollars will buy them a lot memory loss about traditions.
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Are media markets going to matter in the future?
 
tante said:
Why do Purdue and Rutgers have a landing spot in hypothetical conference realignment, both programs are bottom half of FBS viewership and have no real historical or current relevance.
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All the conferences are afraid of the damages suit coming from members that are kicked out.

That's why the next massive shift will be a new set up where everyone leaves the B1G and SEC for a new organization, not just adding onesies and twosies*.

*Although it is possible there is one more land grab of the top end ACC schools.
 
MtnBuff said:
The people calling the shots are all about tradition, and their favorite tradition when money is on the table is to grab as much as they can. Hundreds of millions of dollars will buy them a lot memory loss about traditions.
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Buffnik said:
If they don't, why doesn't the NFL put a team in Birmingham?
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I think they're more interested in putting teams in popular destinations.

If size of the market was the driving force, St. Louis, Portland, San Antonio and Sacramento would've gotten the Raiders or the Grizzlies.

I'm not clear how the "2 LA teams" strategy fits. They already had the TV market covered with one team.
 
hokiehead said:
I think they're more interested in putting teams in popular destinations.

If size of the market was the driving force, St. Louis, Portland, San Antonio and Sacramento would've gotten the Raiders or the Grizzlies.

I'm not clear how the "2 LA teams" strategy fits. They already had the TV market covered with one team.
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The theory being that if there is a team located in a larger market the local audience is more likely to tune in. Which makes advertisers happier with their spend because potential audience is maximized. I am sure someone has some research they did on the value of LA without a team versus the value of LA with teams. And that research was used to convince some team to move there and get a stadium done.

The LA Rams are an NFC team which benefits the Fox Network. The LA Chargers are an AFC team which generally benefits the CBS Network. Fox owns KTTV-11 and CBS owns and operates KCBS-2 allowing them directly participate in the stations profits for local ads as well as national ads.
 
i hate the idea of super conferences.
the idea of having so many teams is ridiculous. Sure it would be cool to see CU play Alabama on occasion, but it brings nothing to the sport.

right now we have issues iwth the BCS taking multiple teams from one conference and leaving out the winners of other conferences.
If you have super conferences, it will add more ambiguity to the table. Having so many teams would make it impossible to compare every egg in the basket, so to speak. Sure team A might go 6-6, but team B might go 5-7 (in conference)....but they'd have played different teams in the same conference and there'd be no sure way to tell who teh best in eah super conference woudl truly be.

It would never happen due to money and tV rights, but we need more, smaller conferences, less non-conference games, and more weight added to winning a conference than there is now.
 
darth-horax said:
i hate the idea of super conferences.
the idea of having so many teams is ridiculous. Sure it would be cool to see CU play Alabama on occasion, but it brings nothing to the sport.

right now we have issues iwth the BCS taking multiple teams from one conference and leaving out the winners of other conferences.
If you have super conferences, it will add more ambiguity to the table. Having so many teams would make it impossible to compare every egg in the basket, so to speak. Sure team A might go 6-6, but team B might go 5-7 (in conference)....but they'd have played different teams in the same conference and there'd be no sure way to tell who teh best in eah super conference woudl truly be.

It would never happen due to money and tV rights, but we need more, smaller conferences, less non-conference games, and more weight added to winning a conference than there is now.
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It's going to move to an NFL model, IMO. However many teams get included will be divided up into divisions and division winners will advance with some at large bids as well.

48+ teams, 24+ team conferences, four divisions in each with 6-8 teams, play everyone in your division + one team from the other three divisions and a couple teams from the other conference.

24 team playoff with 12 from each conference being seeded almost exactly like the NFL. Four division winners seeded 1-4 getting byes and 8 at large (wild cards).

IMO, something resembling that model is going to happen in the next 10-12 years.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
It's going to move to an NFL model, IMO. However many teams get included will be divided up into divisions and division winners will advance with some at large bids as well.

48+ teams, 24+ team conferences, four divisions in each with 6-8 teams, play everyone in your division + one team from the other three divisions and a couple teams from the other conference.

24 team playoff with 12 from each conference being seeded almost exactly like the NFL. Four division winners seeded 1-4 getting byes and 8 at large (wild cards).

IMO, something resembling that model is going to happen in the next 10-12 years.
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i could get on board with this.
it makes the most sense.

It kind of is like waht I was saying with more conferences/divisions, but with teh added auspices of a conference like AFC/NFC.
 
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