Bowl games die in '24 anyway as anything other than as a host for a playoff game.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Legends vs Leaders?
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Did you just @ yourself?
But if there is nothing left of the PAC but OSU and WSU, even that ****ty deal has to be gone. Espically if rumors that the deal hinges on 2 specific members being part of it. P5 becomes the P4.
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Cal and Standford too?
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Sources: Big Ten has begun preliminary talks to potentially add Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford
The Big Ten has been reluctant to move to 20 teams, even if many in college athletics believe expansive superconferences are inevitable.
Nobody in the BIG12 really cares much for Utah. It's pretty funny.
Bah. They’d be a good addition and if the B12 is thinking clearly, they’ll see it, too. BYU will put up a stink, but they’re brand new members too. OTOH, if it’s a choice between Utah and, oh say Tulane, well, then it sucks to be Utah.
When twitter randos have more credibility and accuracy than Wilner, Canzano and official Pac 12 statements it's safe to say the Pac is toast.
Jokes on B10 if they take the poison pill of Cal and Stanford who will put sticks into the spokes of every decision in the future. That’s 2 less spots for ACC schools. B12 could profit off of that
If this comes to fruition, games in Corvallis and Pullman this season are gonna be lit!
From a business standpoint, I don't see the 4 going to B1G. Even at a partial share, the money has to come from somewhere, and no existing team is going to agree to lower their payment by even $1 for the 4 except maybe UCLA since they are still on the hook to cal for some money which may end up a wash if cal gets into B1G.
So the networks would need to pay more. Most notably Fox, which already has the B1G's premiere games locked up. Cbs? Nbc? Maybe more streaming in peacock.
I'm sure the 4(or 2) probably went to the B1G as a group and said take us! We will come over for almost anything! But the money still needs to be gotten from somewhere. Sell a 4th tier? Who is going to pay for that? Apple? Lol.
Maybe ESPN says, B12...we give you more money to secure them, but I doubt it. Fox can probably get them alot cheaper in the B12 as well. Fox would be paying more for them to play in the B1G than they can have them in the B12? That makes no sense for them.
The networks still and do hold all the cards here. At best the conferences can ask for more money, but the networks will decide where teams go ultimately. What real benefit does any network have with paying any of these 4 even a partial share in the B1G when they can bide their time and get them and their inventory cheaper.
If the best the PAC 9 could get is 20m on apple, they probably aren't getting anymore from the networks by dropping asu, Utah, OSU and wsu and going to the B1G. Someone has to pay them and it ain't gonna be the current conference members.
So the networks would need to pay more. Most notably Fox, which already has the B1G's premiere games locked up. Cbs? Nbc? Maybe more streaming in peacock.
I'm sure the 4(or 2) probably went to the B1G as a group and said take us! We will come over for almost anything! But the money still needs to be gotten from somewhere. Sell a 4th tier? Who is going to pay for that? Apple? Lol.
Maybe ESPN says, B12...we give you more money to secure them, but I doubt it. Fox can probably get them alot cheaper in the B12 as well. Fox would be paying more for them to play in the B1G than they can have them in the B12? That makes no sense for them.
The networks still and do hold all the cards here. At best the conferences can ask for more money, but the networks will decide where teams go ultimately. What real benefit does any network have with paying any of these 4 even a partial share in the B1G when they can bide their time and get them and their inventory cheaper.
If the best the PAC 9 could get is 20m on apple, they probably aren't getting anymore from the networks by dropping asu, Utah, OSU and wsu and going to the B1G. Someone has to pay them and it ain't gonna be the current conference members.
I can see both arguments if Arizona makes 14.
1. With the Big 12 having the only Power Conference schools remaining in AZ & UT, ASU & Utah don't add much value. Maybe should just stay at 14. Also, if we did go to 16 now we need to consider that while they are bigger brands today, maybe UConn & SDSU have much higher future potential while also making our conference's hoops strength so high that a new football D1 power league and/or playoff couldn't leave us out because we'd have so much NCAA bball tourney & hoops programming leverage with the media companies.
2. Fan engagement is what drives things. These are 2 good P5 football programs that have had their great moments, are in large & growing metros, have very large enrollment & alumni numbers, would 2 conference rivalries that media partners would love, and give ESPN the western time zone inventory it needs with Fox owning USC, UCLA, UW, UO and also maybe Cal & Stanford.
This is part I cant get my head around.
President called the revenue gap between the ACC and B1G/SEC an existential crisis for FSU. They love the ACC, but they've got to get competitive revenue one way or another. No move, but threw down the gauntlet.
Sounds like The B12 is going to give their OUT buyout money to FSU.
Where is all this money going to come from to pay for these moves? The networks are cash strapped and they are going to pay more money when they already hold their rights? Also, Oregon and Washington are worth $20 million in the P12 but are worth $70 million now that they are going to be playing Iowa and Illinois?
Good luck FSU. This seems like saber rattling in the hopes of making someone panic.
Possible dominoes:
B1G to 20 through UW, UO, Cal & Furd. Looking at ACC + ND to finish at 24. Targets believed to be UVA, UNC and Miami.
SEC will not want to be at 16 with the B1G at 24. I think they're going to have trouble seeing value after their first 4 selections out of the ACC. Do they look at Big 12 properties?
B1G to 20 through UW, UO, Cal & Furd. Looking at ACC + ND to finish at 24. Targets believed to be UVA, UNC and Miami.
SEC will not want to be at 16 with the B1G at 24. I think they're going to have trouble seeing value after their first 4 selections out of the ACC. Do they look at Big 12 properties?
Wish I could have seen the look on those school presidents faces when he made the presentation. Unless they fire him I Can't imagine any of them stay on.
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Pac-12 Presented With Apple Streaming Deal: Report
Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff has been working the proverbial phones for over a year now in an attempt to land a strong enough media rights deal to keep the conference together. Over the past several months, we’ve heard two things that could keep the deal from being satisfactory in the...
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Who would be the #1 target out of the Big12 in that scenario?
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If the take UO and UW and stick Cal with a $500 million stadium bill the CA legislators will get involved.
Almost better for B10 to let UO/UW go to B12 so they can have plausible deniability that they killed the P12
Big gets bigger than 16 and everyone will be suing everyone. And Congress. Watch. And doj.
This is about to go from awful to hilariously expensive and discoverable awful.
Sec is done for now and will wait for their chance to grab the acc teams it wants. Later.
If the big adds anyone the **** is going to hit the fan and the more they add the uglier it will be.
in about 6 months things are going to be so seriously ****ed up that no one outside the sec will have any confidence in what conference they will end up in and no one will have any idea who is in charge or has authority to fix things.
This is about to go from awful to hilariously expensive and discoverable awful.
Sec is done for now and will wait for their chance to grab the acc teams it wants. Later.
If the big adds anyone the **** is going to hit the fan and the more they add the uglier it will be.
in about 6 months things are going to be so seriously ****ed up that no one outside the sec will have any confidence in what conference they will end up in and no one will have any idea who is in charge or has authority to fix things.
Kansas. Improves their hoops profile and reunites them with Missouri and provides cannon fodder for the rest of the football teams who are running out of patsies.
Is that the Merrick Garland Biden DOJ?
I love the monikers that K McCarthy and Marjorie T Green put on things.
Seriously, this conference shifting is downright ridiculous and completely unregulated.
It does NEED some regulation to "right the ship."
KU is a rivalry pairing with Mizzou with some value.
4 Corners give some value and western content & time zones if that's an impetus.
WVU is a cultural and regional fit with the conference DNA.
Other than getting into NC & VA, their other ACC options are to put a 2nd team in a state they already dominate. Exceptions would be FSU (FL is too big & FSU's too big of a brand to think they dominate FL without them) and Clemson since they're the top brand in SC and one of the premier properties in the southeast. That's how I got to 4 no-brainers for a 20-team SEC. I'm not sure other market repeats like Louisville & GT create ratings and they don't expand the footprint so Im skeptical. Which leads to the Big 12 for the other 4 - and I can't see them diluting the OK/TX market when they could relegate competitors so that OU, UT and aTm can completely dominate that market.