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Karl Dorrell officially named Colorado HC

CPVbuff said:
You guys have to watch his Michigan State press conference! Watch it and tell me he doesn’t regret leaving right now! He ****ed himself good!

he was unique and powerful in a room. High Integrity etc etc. but his decision can’t be undone. He may still be a decent coach. But what made him special is gone.

watch the presser. He’s broken. His words were hollow. It was actually sad to watch!
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He seemed like he was trying to convince himself that he made the right decision while his heart told him he’d ****ed people who cared about him.
 
DBT said:
I know exactly what I would’ve done. And if MT believes in himself as a coach, he has to know that had he staid at CU and been successful, the money would’ve been their in the long run.
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He is getting the money next season that we were hoping to raise him to in 3-5 seasons after 2020.

That money level will not be there for him at Colorado. We are a have not.

It sucks because many of us were very young when Colorado football was at its zenith, so we have severe sentimentality. We’re in a marginal conference and can’t hang with a school that’s going to be paying NINE FIGURES in settlements over the next decade.
 
BuffsNYC said:
That wasn't the market speaking, it was one stupid, desperate institution. They way overpaid and it inured to MT's benefit. I have no doubt that MT's actions yesterday increased MSU's offer. Unless he ****s a cheerleader or something, MSU is going to pay him $30+ million over 6 years. They got taken.
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It only takes one to set someone’s market.
 
manhattanbuf said:
I am sad that Coach Tucker left Colorado. I do not think any rational person would honestly say no to obscene money and superior money for direct reports to take a different job. My real depression is over the fact that Colorado Football is likely permanently out of the National Championship conversation for good.
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I’m fine with that take, absolutely and I agree. The difference is most of us don’t have 18 year olds kids were tasked with being the leader of and being committed to. We don’t have families we recruit and speak to and convince that we will lead to be good, young men. I’ll never bash someone for bettering themselves in life. But this entire situation is really low of Mel, really ****ty. He comes off really bad in all of this and it’s the worst timing for CU. He ****ed CU hard on this one and led many young men on who committed to playing for him.

Integrity is worth more than money and we all know money is hard to turn down. But at what cost is selling your soul? He had commitments to these young men and he bailed on them, that’s what I have an issue with. Saying he did it for the money shows he has no integrity because he let down those he said he cares about most, the students.
 
DBT said:
I know exactly what I would’ve done. And if MT believes in himself as a coach, he has to know that had he staid at CU and been successful, the money would’ve been their in the long run.
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So your argument is “say no top 15 money that is there right in front of you, all you need to do is say yes” to maybe get to the same point again by proving yourself and by being successful at CU?
 
married2abuff said:
I understand it's a ton of dough. But I still think he made a huge mistake on the way he handled it. If I was in his shoes (and I say this with all candor), I would have entertained the original offer. Once I said no and publicly declared to CU, I'd play out the year with CU. Yes, for a year I'd make 2.7M versus 5.4M (or whatever the #'s are), but I'd keep my integrity and the likelihood of another opportunity the following year would have been very high, IMO. As it stands for him now, particularly if things don't go well in the B1G, he could flame out as a HC and be left with nothing but an integrity issue.

I guess I'd choose to bet on myself that things wouldn't go in the toilet for the additional year at CU. I'd look at the math as not a 15M loss, but perhaps a 2.7M loss with my integrity intact. But that's just me.
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I don’t think anyone is defending him for the way he went about. I’m most certainly not and I’m pissed off about it and have been thinking about it quite a bit today. But I understand his core decision. And so will most people when they remove their CU hats.
 
manhattanbuf said:
Dude. They offered him dumb money and playoff contender level AC pay. He likely told them no and they made the offer he couldn’t refuse.
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He was literally on the radio with Big Al at 5 yesterday talking about his decision to stay and the news broke around midnight.

His agent was negotiating with them the whole time and he used CU and the local media to leverage more money out of them.
 
manhattanbuf said:
I take it you’re not a capitalist. Fair play.
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Bad Quip. Capitalism doesn’t limit best interest to just financial return. It includes non monetary utility! And community matters. Some value more or less That is the problem often times with left learners. They fail to incorporate the greater good they espouse into the capitalist utility equation. There is nothing more rewarding than helping people in your own “community”. Centralized safety nets rob society of said reward,

back to football. Would you take Mel back tomorrow?
 
Jens1893 said:
That’s fine and I condemn him for that also. But I understand his very basic decision and believe most of us would do the same. We can argue about the way he conducted himself, the style, the timing etc but I can relate to and understand the decision he made. I just wish he’d conducted himself differently.
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Everyone understands money but nobody understands coaching. We answer to a boss, not 80 whatever 18 year olds. It’s just different I guess. Coaches quit, I get that, just not like this in February. I’m still shocked by it.
 
NuggNinja said:
He was literally on the radio with Big Al at 5 yesterday talking about his decision to stay and the news broke around midnight.

His agent was negotiating with them the whole time and he used CU and the local media to leverage more money out of them.
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College Football is cutthroat big business. I agree that Mel Tucker did something that doesn’t sit well. It was not pretty. It was not fair.

He made an economic decision that every rational person would likely make in a similar situation.

Y’all have a vision for college football that doesn’t match its reality. Just because Colorado was the victim this time doesn’t change the game.
 
Jens1893 said:
I don’t think anyone is defending him for the way he went about. I’m most certainly not and I’m pissed off about it and have been thinking about it quite a bit today. But I understand his core decision. And so will most people when they remove their CU hats.
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Politely disagree. For some of us it simply doesn’t come down to the $. Call me a socialist, an idiot, an idealist, whatever. The last two months have turned me into a diehard TadBall fan.
 
manhattanbuf said:
College Football is cutthroat big business. I agree that Mel Tucker did something that doesn’t sit well. It was not pretty. It was not fair.

He made an economic decision that every rational person would likely make in a similar situation.

Y’all have a vision for college football that doesn’t match its reality. Just because Colorado was the victim this time doesn’t change the game.
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A lot of people would take a different job for more money.

Not a lot of people would brazenly lie and use other people to create a situation that leads to them being offered significantly more money.
 
CPVbuff said:
You guys have to watch his Michigan State press conference! Watch it and tell me he doesn’t regret leaving right now! He ****ed himself good!

he was unique and powerful in a room. High Integrity etc etc. but his decision can’t be undone. He may still be a decent coach. But what made him special is gone.

watch the presser. He’s broken. His words were hollow. It was actually sad to watch!
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Wow, I thought you were over exaggerating but he really is a shell of what he was here (so far) - he's totally flat with no passion. It was painful to watch as it looks like he just realized the decision he just made.
 
Jens1893 said:
So your argument is “say no top 15 money that is there right in front of you, all you need to do is say yes” to maybe get to the same point again by proving yourself and by being successful at CU?
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Ok, but let's say you fail at your new job. Even when the money is double, if you only get paid for the length of one contract, you're probably better off having stayed at your old job and earning a second or third contract there. The Peter Principle is particularly harsh on college coaches.
 
manhattanbuf said:
He made an economic decision that every rational person would likely make in a similar situation.
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You’re sitting here arguing that anyone would do it but the Cincinnati coach turned them down. I’m pretty sure they offered him a pay raise as well.

So is the Cincinnati coach an idiot, or what exactly is the pay raise people need to leave without any integrity.
 
manhattan is totally right that most of us (all of us?) would absolutely take the money if offered too. It's not like they were offering him to coach a LoL esports team in China, it's still football the game he loves, just with a lot more dolla billz

But what has to be factored in is that his entire shtick was integrity, relentless, building something, etc. So when you up and ditch for money, you're gonna get called a fraud and the people he was building something with are gonna be pissed

I wonder if we'll find out in the future that the negotiation went something like:

-want to coach at MSU?
-ehh
-ok we talked, here's an offer
-i'm good, thanks
(Fickell turns them down, they're out of options)
-Ok MT, what would it take for you come join us?
-alright, here's my absolutely top tier no way you'll actually give it to me offer
-Fine. Here's that offer. Top 12 money with a massive AC pool
-holy ****.. uhhh... I'm kinda at a donor thing, but give me a couple hours

It's possible MT didn't really intend to ditch, but at the same time he had to be willing to listen a bit..

This whole ordeal reminds me of JMFL. Everyone loved that dude and his pepsi thing. Then one day he dips and he starts in on the pepsi shtick again at Oregon and everyone is shocked he just kept playing the same character.

So MT is a fraud, but also a very rich man. He's now so rich his kids don't have to really worry about money anymore which might be a big factor for him, who knows. He has to know how big of a hole he left us in, so he'll have to learn to live with it.

RG's job is to get over it and find us another good coach
 
Not sure about Chev and his openly campaigning for the job on Twitter... but is strange times we live in with our President running the country via Twitter

Chev obviously loves CU and would die for CU... cant be a bad thing even if the way about it seems strange to us old fogies... but his recruits are loving it tweeting their support for him
 
rodrigo said:
Politely disagree. For some of us it simply doesn’t come down to the $. Call me a socialist, an idiot, an idealist, whatever. The last two months have turned me into a diehard TadBall fan.
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I won’t. And I believe my political compass is way further left than anyone’s on this site due to my background and because the US political scene in general is way further to the right than anything we have here in Europe, but you can look at Tucker’s decision either objectively or as a CU fan and I’m not doing the latter right now.
 
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