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Misti Hawkins Story in the Post
- Thread starter AlferdJasper
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The article showed a human side of all of this. Sorry, I just got caught up in the humanity of it. I'll try not to make that mistake again. My reaction also goes along with the fact that I believe this thing will turn around. I am sick of the "over the top" **** posted here. I was just trying to point out that the Hawkins family are human. My bad.
JimmyBuff
Well-Known Member
I find it amusing DBT that you are quick to pull the "human" aspect when it comes to Hawk yet you will bitch and moan(and call them names) about any Rockies player/pitcher that gives up a big home run, blows a save or strikes out.. I guess the Rockies players aren't "human".. 
yeah but the rockies players get paid for what they're doing, oh wait....
The tags are pretty funny. :lol:
I find it amusing DBT that you are quick to pull the "human" aspect when it comes to Hawk yet you will bitch and moan(and call them names) about any Rockies player/pitcher that gives up a big home run, blows a save or strikes out.. I guess the Rockies players aren't "human"..
Damn it DBT, you're going to make me use a :yeahthat: on Jimmy....
If you had just said "reminds you these people are human", it would have been ok. But you start out with "why should these ******** care about Misti" like we're all uncaring ****ing assholes (except you and your fellow Hawkins defenders, of course....) Like we're all somehow bad people.
What shocks me is that somehow you continue to act like you have no idea what people are upset with you about.... :wow:
DBT, I seriously think you jealously guard your "defender" role in this situation way past normal for some reason. Nothing wrong with wanting to stick with Hawk, if that is what you want to do. Yet you are making judgements about, and putting words into the mouths of people here that is just false. I've never heard anybody here badmouth Misti, or even want to. Cody gets some heat, but most everybody here loves him for what he brings everyday to this program. Hawk gets lots of heat, and that just comes with the territory. Yeah, we know he is human, and we don't wish ill on him at all. We just want him to win, or move on!
JimmyBuff
Well-Known Member
Damn it DBT, you're going to make me use a :yeahthat: on Jimmy....
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Hey ,DBT has replaced me as number one flamer on the board.. :lol:
oh holy mutha... i believe you are correct. reality check!
Dude. If Hawk gets fired tomorrow, I'll be excited for who the next coach is. My deal is that I'm sick of the pack mentality here. This place is like a shark attack.
JimmyBuff
Well-Known Member
I've fallen by the way side.. I'm not even the leader of the negative movement on the boards anymore... :lol:
Actually, I don't see a pack mentality at all, if you read local news, national news and the associated comments with those articles you will see the consensus here is pretty much the same as elsewhere. People are pissed right now, and deserve the right to express themselves. Yet about the only person I see doing personal attacks, which I associate with mob mentality, is you. It also doesn't change the fact that you are making false assumptions about people on this board.
DBT does it again.
buffs04
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, when you accept a 7 figure salary, you are also accepting the expectations that come along with that kind of compensation.
When you accept the starting quarterback job and all the perks that come along with it - and there are many - you are also accepting, in year three of your tenure as a starter, that there are going to be some minimum expectations of your performance, and when you repeatedly fall very far short of those expectations, some people are going to comment.
These people are not victims, and I think it is ridiculous to portray them as such. In fact, both Dan and Cody qualify as some of the most priveleged people in our society. Being nice is not a sufficient condition to be free of criticism at this stage of the game.
Hawkins has embarassed this program. Talks of "winning a national championship within 3 years" when he was hired. Talking about winning the Big 12 every single year in the offseason; even having the audacity to do so after coming off 2-10 seasons and 5-7 seasons. Talking about 10 wins. Talking about intermurals. Talking about taking risks, and how your fanbase never has. Continually disparaging and demeaning anyone who criticizes you.
Ultimately, Dan Hawkins' life is much cushier than the vast majority of people who post on this board. He commands a salary that the overwhelming majority of Americans never could, regardless of how hard they work. He is paid to teach 20 year olds how to move a piece of leather up and down a field; a job that, coincidentally, virtually every single one of his peers appears to be better at than him. He hasn't brought in top notch athletes. He hasn't implemented a system to compensate for his lack of athletes.
This victim notion is really some of the stupidest **** I have ever heard.
When you accept the starting quarterback job and all the perks that come along with it - and there are many - you are also accepting, in year three of your tenure as a starter, that there are going to be some minimum expectations of your performance, and when you repeatedly fall very far short of those expectations, some people are going to comment.
These people are not victims, and I think it is ridiculous to portray them as such. In fact, both Dan and Cody qualify as some of the most priveleged people in our society. Being nice is not a sufficient condition to be free of criticism at this stage of the game.
Hawkins has embarassed this program. Talks of "winning a national championship within 3 years" when he was hired. Talking about winning the Big 12 every single year in the offseason; even having the audacity to do so after coming off 2-10 seasons and 5-7 seasons. Talking about 10 wins. Talking about intermurals. Talking about taking risks, and how your fanbase never has. Continually disparaging and demeaning anyone who criticizes you.
Ultimately, Dan Hawkins' life is much cushier than the vast majority of people who post on this board. He commands a salary that the overwhelming majority of Americans never could, regardless of how hard they work. He is paid to teach 20 year olds how to move a piece of leather up and down a field; a job that, coincidentally, virtually every single one of his peers appears to be better at than him. He hasn't brought in top notch athletes. He hasn't implemented a system to compensate for his lack of athletes.
This victim notion is really some of the stupidest **** I have ever heard.
77buff
Well-Known Member
I don't think there are many people on this board who wish bad things for the Hawkins. I wish them all the best, I just hope it's in another city next year.
AlferdJasper
Well-Known Member
Yes, me too.
I think of when my kids have had a disappointment, like not getting an award they were nominated for, or being benched in little league, or having a girlfriend turn cold. And how a parent tries to make it a learning experience, or help them grow from it and find other opportunities about which they are excited. It just has to be tough to be a parent, as Misti is, and also very much in the public eye. Her son's ability isn't just called out at a team meeting, he's been rehashed in the newspapers, tv, fan forums ... as a parent, you have to want to shield your kid from overwhelming attacks. But she can't. She hasn't called anyone out for the horrible things she's read about her family, far as I can tell, she has walked gently through the unfolding story. Just a tough situation, that's all.
And ... less on here than other boards ... but I've seen more than one "joke" about Misti and Dan and why Cody played. That's bull$hit, and I still think wives and families ought to be off limits, no matter how much you are paid, unless the wife or kid has done something specific like get arrested.
My two cents.
One more penny thought brought on by game day insomnia probably: my overwhelming opinion of this board is that most folks do care and are able to separate their thoughts about good people from their harsher opinions about coaching, winning and losing.
Mick Ronson
Well-Known Member
i'm sure it's hard. my only objection is that bringing Misti and the Family Hawkins in to it may be wrong.....but, no one was complaining (except me a little bit) when there were puff piece after puff piece about Philosopher Dan and the self-actualizing Hawkins Fam in the DP, Camera, and RMN. they seem like great people, OK. enough.
to me, it's not really news how the younger Hawkins is doing at Boise or what they eat for breakfast. my loyalties to CU don't extend that far or to feeling like what the Hawkins' do on vacation is something by which i'm supposed to be enthralled. when i teach classes, you teach the material....not tell stories about yourself. so, to paraphrase the great TV theme writer Alan Thicke...."you take the good, you take the bad...."
if you are in the public spotlight when you are good and warm and fuzzy....don't expect it to go away if it's bad. just the way it is.
to me, it's not really news how the younger Hawkins is doing at Boise or what they eat for breakfast. my loyalties to CU don't extend that far or to feeling like what the Hawkins' do on vacation is something by which i'm supposed to be enthralled. when i teach classes, you teach the material....not tell stories about yourself. so, to paraphrase the great TV theme writer Alan Thicke...."you take the good, you take the bad...."
if you are in the public spotlight when you are good and warm and fuzzy....don't expect it to go away if it's bad. just the way it is.
BuffaloChuck
Member
The family made a decision that is the definition of nepotism. They should enjoy all aspects of it.
AlferdJasper
Well-Known Member
I've been debating taking a break from the boards.
This post tipped the balance for me.
Unbelievable.
Chilly
Well-Known Member
And this post resemble everything that I find disgusting in America. Just because someone has been successful doesn't mean that should should be open targets for the public. What ever happened to having respect for people.
Chilly
Well-Known Member
Unreal.
Hawkins seems to be giving as good as he gets these days IMO. You think it is respectful for him to go after fans in the ways he has over the past month? If so, you and I sure have a different meaning of respect.
Chilly
Well-Known Member
I personally don't see what he has done as going after the fans. He hasn't personally attacked anyone.
"The only speculation was from you guys," he told reporters. "There was no speculation from my boss, there was no speculation from our big hitters (donors). That speculation came from you guys." OK. Was the week following a 58-34 loss at Toledo disconcerting? "Not at all. I love these guys. I’ve said this many times before. "Unfortunately in this (media) business, there’s not a lot of you that have children. I don’t know why that is. But when you have kids, you love them up. You give them unconditional love. And you hang in there. "And sometimes they flunk science, and sometimes they strike out and sometimes they drop fly balls and sometimes they miss last-second shots. But when you’re a true parent, you’re a true teacher, and you hang in there and you keep believing them and keep working on things, and eventually it turns."
This was not going after the fans. first it was directed at the media. 2 what part of it isn't true? Until you have your own kids, it tough to understand being a parent.
His quote about taking risks is 100% true. Most people in life are risk adverse, very few of us really know what its like to put EVERYTHING on the line for an idea.
Nor Cal Buff
Well-Known Member
It's not about his being successful but rather it coming with the job. It is part of the reason coaches are so well compensated. If you don't like it, don't become the HC of a major football program.
FlatironsBuff
Well-Known Member
We all relate to them as humans. But humans make mistakes. In this case DH. Starting only one QB while trying to RS 3 or 4 QBs is bad, bad coaching. He could have RS'ed Hansen next year when Evans could have played backup. Having no second choice to go to when the first choice is your son looks like nepotism. It may not be, but I don't remember any other coach at any time making that choice to have one QB only availible. Just a bad decision when the #1 is your kid.
This being said, if CH had come out on fire and guns a blazin', and we were 3-1 right now, it would not be a huge issue. And the DL did have to get some experience-- with the D playing the first three games like they did against UT, we are 4-1 or 3-2 right now. And all this would probably not be an issue. Or as big of one.
This is it in a nutshell. I hoped for a good season, but Hawkins himself blew my expectations way up. Why, if we had all these problems? When he talks the talk, and can't walk the walk, then gets pissy with fans, boosters, and the media when called on it-- makes me think he is way over his head in the Big 12. When my team is 1-4 and I cannot look at the remaining schedule and say 'There is a almost sure win!' then something is wrong. And that starts with the coach.
Don't worry Jimmy, you will always be the '#1 Flamer' in our hearts!!:lol:
With how pissed I am with what Hawk has put on the field so far this year, understand that I feel starting over sets us back again, and if I could script out the future, TH would go nuts tossing the ball all over the field and CU makes a bowl game and this team does 'fix the small stuff' and start rolling. I DO like the Hawkins family. I really do. I think they are stand up people, and Dan wants to take CU to a MNC. I am just not sold that he can do that any longer. I am thinking that signing Cody really put more pressure on him to rebuild the team than he needed. Quite honestly, I like the family so much that if Dan can turn this around and win enough for a bowl game (and win that) then I hope he stays and would not mind Cody as a student coach with a higher coaching position (like Ambrose last year) sometime in the future. I think he will be a good coach. I just think trying to win in the B12 with someone of limited height and abilities, who happens to be the coaches son, is a reaaaaaly bad idea.
If Hawk can fix this and win a bowl game this year, I hope he stays and gets more chances to build this (no extention though!!) If we end up with 2 or 3 wins, then he has to go. Good family or not, that record against this schedule means he is in over his head and cannot get the job done.