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Official Non-FBS Thread

Looking at some Zero Week games, I see one game that could be interesting. Stephen F. Austin at Jacksonville State. Rich Rod's debut at JSU while they are making the transtition to FBS & C-USA and SFA appears to be the choice outside of SHSU to win the WAC this season.




Didn't see anything for D2 football this week though.

Ready for football!

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PAC MAN said:
Looking at some Zero Week games, I see one game that could be interesting. Stephen F. Austin at Jacksonville State. Rich Rod's debut at JSU while they are making the transtition to FBS & C-USA and SFA appears to be the choice outside of SHSU to win the WAC this season.




Didn't see anything for D2 football this week though.

Ready for football!

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RMAC schools start on Thursday Sept 1 and Friday Sept 3. Have some huge OOC matchups that weekend that may have a big influence on playoff seeding at the end of the season.

More specifics later. but for those looking to see some good football in a fun atmosphere might want to plan for Saturday Sept 10 when Angelo State plays at Mines at noon and traditional power Grand Valley State plays at Pueblo at 6:00pm.
 
D2football.com Preseason Top 25
1. Ferris State
2. Valdosta State
3. Colorado School of Mines
4. Northwest Missouri State
5. Grand Valley State
6. Shepherd
7. West Florida
8. Angelo State
9. Harding
10. West Georgia
11. Notre Dame College
12. Bowie State
13. Nebraska-Kearney
14. Kutztown
15. Western Colorado
16. Bemidji State
17. Ouachita Baptist
18. New Haven
19. Newberry
20. Albany State
21. Augustana
22. Lenoir-Rhyne
23. California (PA)
24. Slippery Rock
25. Washburn

link
 
Seems like people aren't that high on CSU-Pueblo this upcoming season. It's interesting since the RMAC preseason poll had CSU-P with one first place vote.

gothunderwolves.com

Pack Football Ranked Second in RMAC Preseason Poll - Colorado State University Pueblo

Colorado State University Pueblo football is looked on as one of the top programs in the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference (RMAC) for the upcoming season, as the
gothunderwolves.com gothunderwolves.com

And quite the start to the season for the Thunderwolves since they open at #24 Midwestern State, #5 Grand Valley State visits the following week, open conference play at home against #17 Western Colorado, and then travels to #4 Mines.
 
J.R. Ewing said:
UA loses to North Dakota St. What kind of a dumb program schedules those guys anyway?
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I don't think a NDSU win over UA would be considered an upset. NDSU fans do travel so that might help the bottom line maybe a bit for UA. :LOL:
 
South Dakota State at Iowa could be interesting. Jackrabbits bring back their starting QB from their FCS championship game back in spring 2021. If it wasn't for his knee injury that caused him to miss fall 2021, they might have won that FCS championship. The Jacks appear to have the best offense skill player group in all of FCS so if the Jacks OL (also one of the best FCS OLs out there) can hold up against that Hawkeye defense, they have enough to pull off the upset in Iowa City.

Other games:

Delaware at Navy
UIW at Nevada

Also there's UC-Davis at Cal...maybe Dan Hawkins gets revenge on what happened back in 2010 but I wouldn't count on it.
 
hokiehead said:
D2football.com Preseason Top 25
1. Ferris State
2. Valdosta State
3. Colorado School of Mines
4. Northwest Missouri State
5. Grand Valley State
6. Shepherd
7. West Florida
8. Angelo State
9. Harding
10. West Georgia
11. Notre Dame College
12. Bowie State
13. Nebraska-Kearney
14. Kutztown
15. Western Colorado
16. Bemidji State
17. Ouachita Baptist
18. New Haven
19. Newberry
20. Albany State
21. Augustana
22. Lenoir-Rhyne
23. California (PA)
24. Slippery Rock
25. Washburn

link
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****ing Fort Lewis, we suck every year.
 
Going to post some notable FCS games this week including upset alerts for FBS teams against their FCS foes. I will let MtnBuff do the local schools including UNC on his weekly game thread.

Thursday

#5 Missouri State at Central Arkansas.
Northern Arizona at Arizona State

Saturday

#19 Delaware at Navy (if Navy loses this one, expect a coaching change after this season)
#2 South Dakota State at Iowa (SDSU's group of offensive skill players would match up well with FBS Top 25 teams)
#21 Northern Iowa at Air Force (think AFA might be looking ahead to the CU game?)
#24 Richmond at Virgina
North Dakota at Nebraska (I don't think it happens but you never know with Scott Frost)
UC Davis at Cal (Dan Hawkins revenge game?)
#23 Mercer at Auburn (just for the fun of it)
#9 Southern Illinois at #14 UIW
#17 Southeastern at Louisania (Cajuns lost some players plus their head coach)
McNesee at #4 Montana State
Idaho at Washington State

Sunday

Florida A&M at Jackson State
 
PAC MAN said:
Going to post some notable FCS games this week including upset alerts for FBS teams against their FCS foes. I will let MtnBuff do the local schools including UNC on his weekly game thread.

Thursday

#5 Missouri State at Central Arkansas.
Northern Arizona at Arizona State

Saturday

#19 Delaware at Navy (if Navy loses this one, expect a coaching change after this season)
#2 South Dakota State at Iowa (SDSU's group of offensive skill players would match up well with FBS Top 25 teams)
#21 Northern Iowa at Air Force (think AFA might be looking ahead to the CU game?)
#24 Richmond at Virgina
North Dakota at Nebraska (I don't think it happens but you never know with Scott Frost)
UC Davis at Cal (Dan Hawkins revenge game?)
#23 Mercer at Auburn (just for the fun of it)
#9 Southern Illinois at #14 UIW
#17 Southeastern at Louisania (Cajuns lost some players plus their head coach)
McNesee at #4 Montana State
Idaho at Washington State

Sunday

Florida A&M at Jackson State
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Hawkins has built a quality program at Davis. Would be typical for the PAC12 if Cal managed to lose to them.

Seems like every year we are getting one or two FCS schools beating a P5 team.
 
rscmac said:
Was at UNC today grabbed a couple of pics of the new field turf also the new weight room and football office building is almost done.
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On recent inspections, still worse than CSUP, Mesa, Mines, Western, Chadron, and of yeah...Valor
 
Speaking of Eddie Mac at UNC, 45 players are either true freshmen or redshirt freshmen due to players leaving via the portal.

www.denverpost.com

Keeler: Ed McCaffrey has six words for critics, former UNC players, transfers, skeptics. “I’ve done everything the right way.”

A successful, sustainable football program isn’t built on the number of people who want to be photographed with your coach. It’s built on the caliber of kids who want to actually play for them.
www.denverpost.com www.denverpost.com

And UNC appears to be making progress on installing lights at the football stadium.

 
www.espn.com

FAMU players: Issues in admin led to ineligibilities

In a letter, Florida A&M players wrote that deficiencies in FAMU's athletic staffing led in part to the ineligible players and the team considering not playing their season opener against UNC.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Kudos to those FAM players deciding to play so they could earn their school $450K that could be used towards more staffing in their athletic department.
 
Week 1 has came and gone. I had to spend a little time working on my u/FCS Top 25 poll and HBCU Top 10 this morning due to some upsets and blowout losses in some cases.

For this week's notable games:

Thursday

UT-Martin @ MO State

Saturday

Northern Iowa @ North Dakota
UC Davis @ South Dakota State
South Dakota @ Montana
Incarnate Word @ Nevada (FBS upset alert)
Holy Cross @ Buffalo (FBS upset alert)
Campbell @ William & Mary
Jacksonville State @ Murray State
Northern Arizona @ SHSU
Weber State & Utah State (FBS upset alert)

HBCU

Jackson State @ Tenn State
 
FCS Title Game will be on ABC.

herosports.com

FCS Title Game To Air On ABC On Sunday, Jan. 8, 2023

The 2022 season's FCS national title game will be played on Sunday, Jan. 8, 2023. Kickoff is set for 2 p.m. ET and will air on ABC.
herosports.com herosports.com

And here's my list of games for this week:

FBS Upset Alert:

Villanova at Army.
North Dakota State at Arizona. (not as confident in that as I was before the season started).
Jacksonville State at Tulsa.

Storyline FBS game:

Missouri State @ Arkansas (the return of Petrino to Arky. Not going to be a fun day for him)

Other FCS games of note:

North Dakota @ Northern Arizona. NAU just beat SHSU.
Butler @ SDSU
Delaware @ Rhode Island
Grambling @ Jackson State
Yale @ Holy Cross
Sacremento State @ UNI
Montana State @ Oregon State
 
hokiehead said:
two takeaways from reading only the tweet:

1. I'm not sure we need more teams in FBS who can't draw 15k per home game
2. raising the fee by three orders of magnitude is ... significant
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1. That 15K requirement doesn't make as much sense as it used to given that schools are putting $20M-$40M into their athletics programs per year even at the G5 level. The latest trend in stadium renovations are shrinking the capacity too in order to push up ticket prices.
2. What's significant is how low that $5K fee was to move up to FBS. $5M isn't enough of a barrier because a school of 20,000 students can increase the activities/athletics fee by $20 per credit and have that $5M plus the FBS conference admission fee ready by the end of the academic year. I think that fee needs to go to at least $50M to slow down the number of FCS teams making the jump to FBS.
 
PAC MAN said:
1. That 15K requirement doesn't make as much sense as it used to given that schools are putting $20M-$40M into their athletics programs per year even at the G5 level. The latest trend in stadium renovations are shrinking the capacity too in order to push up ticket prices.
2. What's significant is how low that $5K fee was to move up to FBS. $5M isn't enough of a barrier because a school of 20,000 students can increase the activities/athletics fee by $20 per credit and have that $5M plus the FBS conference admission fee ready by the end of the academic year. I think that fee needs to go to at least $50M to slow down the number of FCS teams making the jump to FBS.
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The $5 million is a significant barrier in addition to the additional cost of running even a basic FBS level program.

We also are not even close to seeing the end of the shake up of college football.

It would be no surprise to see the top 30-60 schools break off entirely from the NCAA and form their own governing body, and not sharing their money with the rest.
 
MtnBuff said:
The $5 million is a significant barrier in addition to the additional cost of running even a basic FBS level program.

We also are not even close to seeing the end of the shake up of college football.

It would be no surprise to see the top 30-60 schools break off entirely from the NCAA and form their own governing body, and not sharing their money with the rest.
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About that $5M, you need to consider the extra 22 football scholarships and many schools use out of state tuition charges so if a full year of out of state costs $50K, the school earns $1.1M and that is not counting possible extra scholarships if said school was before was below the FBS minimum of sports offered. That might earn the school $500K to another million. That would mean the school has recouped about half of that $5M fee.

That also does not include the increase in the value of media rights with the new athletic conference they join, higher ticket revenue, increased contributions, etc.

$5M is nothing in that regard when it comes to FCS going up to FBS. Kennesaw State who will be in CUSA next year only would need to charge an extra $10 per credit hour for its 43,000 students to get to that $5M figure.

That’s why that fee really needs to go up if you want to slow things down. A high majority of those schools will not have difficulties finding $5M to bring in new exposure to the school and even if it leads to a increase by just 500 students in the student body at $25,000 per academic year, that’s a gain of $12.5M for the school.

Maybe you are thinking more about the difference between a D2 school and FBS. There are very few D2 schools with student bodies above 10K and getting that extra $5M would be much more difficult as a result.
 
PAC MAN said:
About that $5M, you need to consider the extra 22 football scholarships and many schools use out of state tuition charges so if a full year of out of state costs $50K, the school earns $1.1M and that is not counting possible extra scholarships if said school was before was below the FBS minimum of sports offered. That might earn the school $500K to another million. That would mean the school has recouped about half of that $5M fee.

That also does not include the increase in the value of media rights with the new athletic conference they join, higher ticket revenue, increased contributions, etc.

$5M is nothing in that regard when it comes to FCS going up to FBS. Kennesaw State who will be in CUSA next year only would need to charge an extra $10 per credit hour for its 43,000 students to get to that $5M figure.

That’s why that fee really needs to go up if you want to slow things down. A high majority of those schools will not have difficulties finding $5M to bring in new exposure to the school and even if it leads to a increase by just 500 students in the student body at $25,000 per academic year, that’s a gain of $12.5M for the school.

Maybe you are thinking more about the difference between a D2 school and FBS. There are very few D2 schools with student bodies above 10K and getting that extra $5M would be much more difficult as a result.
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If the scholarships are covered by revenues great but they usually aren't. It's more now but last time I saw a verified number CSU was subsidizing their football program by about $15 million per year. A lot of people in the school aren't happy about it.

I fully expect to see multiple schools drop classification in the next decade or so as financial realities set in.
 
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