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"Recruit above your record"
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Both teams left a whole lotta points on the field yesterday
Very true.
One team still had their ass handed to them. Running up the gut 3x without a fullback, from the 1, against a team that is clearly more physical than you, is just stupid.
Clearly what I'm saying here, good job
So you're saying that you're a little turd? Touche, internet nerd. I'm saying those points never mattered because Utah kicked our ass.
With what we've seen over the last few years, I have a hard time calling Tad lucky for Roberson, Ski and Mayor. Was he also lucky he landed Scott and Gordon early in the cycle? He's proven his eye for talent, and done a very good job of landing those mid-tier kids before they blow up. That's not luck. As for HCMM, he might do the same, but I'm surprised at how many people are willing to give him a pass on recruiting, giving him credit for his eye for talent, when we haven't seen that play out at the Pac 12 level yet.
No all I was saying is that both teams left points on the field from missed plays...the PRich drop, the Spruce overthrow, etc. Utah did as well, but I don't remember them much because I don't care anymore. I wasn't making a statement on the play calling at all, just of the calls that were called but weren't finished.
And if it's the play you're referring to is the same one that I'm thinking of if Sefo holds the ball on the read he has a clear path to the endzone.
As responding to the previous post about how a fumble**** Dan Hawkins win a recruiting battle or two.
Other than that, was fairly straight forward.
J-R-K
Well-Known Member
Our record is a speed-bump, not a road block. Plenty of other staffs recruit above their record. UK has gone 2-10 the past two seasons and they currently have a top-10 rated class...and their facilities are even worse the ours and their in-state talent isn't any better. I'm sick of excuses, this staff needs better results. We literally haven't even had one single blue-chip player come in on and official visit since they took over, let alone actually landing one. It would have helped if Mac had utilized the budget he had for his staff rather then bringing his WAC compadres and Toby "looks like a middle school english teacher" Neinas from powerhouse Montana State.
FlatironsBuff
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UK also has not been involved in a 'scandal' and then been a national laughingstock in all of the sports media for the last 7 years.
Agree on Neinas....seemed like Bohn called in a favor for his buddy.
And **** you on everything else. Just because in general, I detest J-R-K. Lol
put up or shut up time for our coaches.
Correct.
Fixing this dumpster fire is going to take time.
I can't get too worked up if this year's class doesn't look stellar. By the time M2 came onto the scene, many of the 3,4, and 5 star prospects for this year's class already had solid relationships established with the schools that were and are still recruiting them. Making up that "gap" is a difficult assignment. Given some of the rumblings (and flat out facts) about the waning days of the Embree era with recruiting, especially in Colorado, you have to think M2 was starting from the ground up.
I think that now that a clear facilities plan is in place and M2 will have had a year's worth of time working on recruits, the '15 class is going to be much more indicative of this staff's skills.
All of that said, I reserve the right to change my mind if they pull in some high-level recruits over the next two weekends.
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I think that now that a clear facilities plan is in place and M2 will have had a year's worth of time working on recruits, the '15 class is going to be much more indicative of this staff's skills.
All of that said, I reserve the right to change my mind if they pull in some high-level recruits over the next two weekends.
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FrankRizzo
Active Member
Hard to judge a coach's recruiting until their third class. At this point the relationship between recruit and coaches has been built since the recruit's junior year. The second class is still a bit difficult, especially when you have losing records. Scary to think how long it will take to build up a competent line of scrimmage. Let's hope Macintyre is able to find and develop lower rated talent to supplement in the mean time.
I'd really doubt not having older relationships with HS coaches is really hurting recruiting (at least in Cali), MacIntyre is very big on relationships and visited every school in Cali, much like he did with Colorado when he got here. A combination of the past eight years, lack of facilities (not an issue going forward in recruiting, especially if they are aiming for a Fall 2015 opening), and the rest of the PAC 12 being up is hurting us a whole lot more than the lack of relationships. I do think the relationship angle in Colorado may be valid though.
fatbuff
Member
That would make sense if MM wasn't a head coach before. There shouldn't be a lag for a coach that is recruiting the same areas.
Cutcliff was interviewed by ESPN the other day about what he has done to turn the Duke program around. One of the most interesting parts of the story was him relating some things Krxyzewski shared with him about how to win at Duke.
What he told him was that every year he has to recruit slightly better athletes. The first year is tough but get some who improve over your current roster and every year keep notching up the roster, little by little, until you start to have full classes full of players who belong on an SEC team. Obviously that is combined with showing improved results on the field.
I know we have been through this over and over again on AB but that is what I think HCMM is actually doing and I think all should have a little patience with him. I believe he has earned that already by the improvements in the team this year. If HCMM is as good as some of us think he is, he will continually improve this team in terms of W/L but also on the recruiting trail.
Keep the faith.
What he told him was that every year he has to recruit slightly better athletes. The first year is tough but get some who improve over your current roster and every year keep notching up the roster, little by little, until you start to have full classes full of players who belong on an SEC team. Obviously that is combined with showing improved results on the field.
I know we have been through this over and over again on AB but that is what I think HCMM is actually doing and I think all should have a little patience with him. I believe he has earned that already by the improvements in the team this year. If HCMM is as good as some of us think he is, he will continually improve this team in terms of W/L but also on the recruiting trail.
Keep the faith.
Mac was the Defensive Coordinator for Duke's class of 2009 and most of the class of 2010. Those classes make up the 4th and 5th year guys now leading Duke.
The recruiting services didn't notice an "uptick" in recruiting at Duke and their classes continued to be 60's, 70's sort of rankings. I'd wager that Cutliffe believes that the recruiting was improving by his own ratings.
When I look at all the "turn-arounds", I have had trouble identifying where those teams recruited "over their heads" as measured by the services. I'm sure the staffs liked their classes better each year. The services just don't have much of a handle on most of the kids that aren't holding several BCS offers.
The recruiting services didn't notice an "uptick" in recruiting at Duke and their classes continued to be 60's, 70's sort of rankings. I'd wager that Cutliffe believes that the recruiting was improving by his own ratings.
When I look at all the "turn-arounds", I have had trouble identifying where those teams recruited "over their heads" as measured by the services. I'm sure the staffs liked their classes better each year. The services just don't have much of a handle on most of the kids that aren't holding several BCS offers.
Holic nailed it. Best statement to date in this ongoing argument. Synopsis of why we have so much debate regarding Recruiting class rankings, star grading system, under-the-radar guys. If you aren't catching the eye of BCS schools early, you aren't bandwagoning onto the service's radar either. It is certainly a competitive disadvantage to be a down-program. Our offers don't move the needle of the services and our coaches are not in a position to let the services do the heavy lifting in identifying popular talent.