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Recruiting to beat Oregon

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They are beatable, the key is to have a dominating DL that will stop the run, and have overall good team speed.


My wish list

2012 class

6 DT/DE
6 CB/S


DE/DT- Solis, hennington, Topou, Borne, Idouze, Kofavalu


CB/S- Mananea, Leo Thomas, Yuri Wright, Jonavaughn Williams, Tyler Hasty,Dominique Love
 
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The other key is to keep their offense off the field and out of easy scoring position. UCLA isn't very good and managed to control the ball at times running right at them with a power back.

We need some big O-linemen who can control the LOS and keep us out of third and longs, that is where Oregon's team speed makes maintaining drives difficult,

Also need recievers who consistently catch the ball. Again the key is keeping the O on the field and controlling field position..

On defense the corners are important but you really have to have guys who can cover the slot and who can stay with the backs coming out of the backfield when they pass.

This and what was said in the OP also holds true against a lot of the PAC teams. Unlike the Big 10 that has teams like Wisconsin who will try to run over you, the PAC is very pass heavy and a lot of the teams try to use quickness to beat you.
 
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You forgot to mention that our CB's have to run a 4.3 and linebackers, absolutely, can not run anything over a 4.5. Did I do this right?
 
MtnBuff said:
The other key is to keep their offense off the field and out of easy scoring position. UCLA isn't very good and managed to control the ball at times running right at them with a power back.

We need some big O-linemen who can control the LOS and keep us out of third and longs, that is where Oregon's team speed makes maintaining drives difficult,

Also need recievers who consistently catch the ball. Again the key is keeping the O on the field and controlling field position..

On defense the corners are important but you really have to have guys who can cover the slot and who can stay with the backs coming out of the backfield when they pass.

This and what was said in the OP also holds true against a lot of the PAC teams. Unlike the Big 10 that has teams like Wisconsin who will try to run over you, the PAC is very pass heavy and a lot of the teams try to use quickness to beat you.
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The OL did a good job against Utah, controlling the clock with the run game and quick throws to P Richardson. The last game of the season is the blue print for next year. 4 man running attack, Hopefully Wes BRwon, Tony Jones, Daviene Payne, Josh Ford, then quick passes to P.Richardson in the west coast offense. J The depth next years looks like


OT- Bakhtiari
OG- Asiata
C- Handler
OG- Munyer or Crabb
OT- Harris or Daniewitz


CU OL is not that bad, the problem is the depth after the starters.
 
Oregon poses an interesting challenge. They aren't impossible to beat but they pressure your defense for a whole 60 minutes and have speed to make a lot of big plays.


Three years ago, Stanford kicked their ass. Even last year, Stanford jumped out to a huge lead but lost it in the 2nd half. This year, they played with half a deck of cards... truly a substantial amount of injuries.


I think there are opportunities for run heavy teams to wear them out over a 60 minute game. If you can control their front seven, you'll have some opportunity for long drives. That's good for TOP, shortening the clock, giving your defense a rest, and making their offense press. When they have the ball, they want to go/go/go/go. If you start holding the ball for 5-8 minute drives, there will be a little bit more exertion by their offense to come out and play well the following drive. They are a rhythm offense IMO that operates off misdirection and a lot of high risk plays. These multiple option runs by QB's/HB's and motioning WR look great when they work but if you can attack or get penetration in the right areas, you could probably force a few balls on the ground. I think defenses have to be extremely talented over their 11 guys on the field. I think blitzing is a risky proposition. You could get a big play or give up a big play so you have to play sound, assignment heavy, disciplined football.


I don't think Oregon is unbeatable but you will have to have great coaching, very good disciplined players who can run on defense and physical offensive and defensive lines.
 
Kelly wants to coach in the NFL. He's not a "system" coach, so it would probably work. He's just a great offensive mind who is running what he believes will work best given the college rule book and other considerations. He's from the northeast. Could he be the guy the Eagles target after they fire Andy Reid? They've definitely got the types of QBs and speed players at WR and RB that Kelly would be a perfect match for.
 
Buffnik said:
Kelly wants to coach in the NFL. He's not a "system" coach, so it would probably work. He's just a great offensive mind who is running what he believes will work best given the college rule book and other considerations. He's from the northeast. Could he be the guy the Eagles target after they fire Andy Reid? They've definitely got the types of QBs and speed players at WR and RB that Kelly would be a perfect match for.
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One damn good thing Tebow is doing is forcing the NFL to realize you can run a modern spread option game in the NFL. I'm absolutely convinced Oregon's offense could be run in the NFL, especially since Kelly actually gets some decent passing from his QBs. The only teams that have stopped Oregon are teams with dominant DL's against Oregon's overmatched OL coming off a long layoff. WIth NFL talent on an OL, I think Kelly could do very well in the NFL.

Eagles hiring him would be AWESOME. For many reasons.
 
Darth Snow said:
One damn good thing Tebow is doing is forcing the NFL to realize you can run a modern spread option game in the NFL. I'm absolutely convinced Oregon's offense could be run in the NFL, especially since Kelly actually gets some decent passing from his QBs. The only teams that have stopped Oregon are teams with dominant DL's against Oregon's overmatched OL coming off a long layoff. WIth NFL talent on an OL, I think Kelly could do very well in the NFL.

Eagles hiring him would be AWESOME. For many reasons.
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Kelly would have to change his offense for the NFL. So much of what he does is dependent on OLs being able to get downfield and block on pass completions behind the line of scrimmage. Also, with the wider hashes, he focuses a lot on attacking the wide side of the field with speed. NFL offenses work by attacking the middle of the field. He'd have to adjust for that. Anyway, Kelly has said in interviews that this Oregon offense is not Chip Kelly, it's just what he has designed to work best on this level. He'd bring elements, but it wouldn't be the full Oregon offense trying to translate to the League.

Edit: I wanted to add that I'm a big fan of Kelly. I think he may be the best offensive mind football has seen since Bill Walsh.
 
Buffnik said:
Kelly would have to change his offense for the NFL. So much of what he does is dependent on OLs being able to get downfield and block on pass completions behind the line of scrimmage. Also, with the wider hashes, he focuses a lot on attacking the wide side of the field with speed. NFL offenses work by attacking the middle of the field. He'd have to adjust for that. Anyway, Kelly has said in interviews that this Oregon offense is not Chip Kelly, it's just what he has designed to work best on this level. He'd bring elements, but it wouldn't be the full Oregon offense trying to translate to the League.
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Agreed. But you also see elements of his running game being worked in with the Bronco's (like when they bring Eddie royal from WR to be the pitch option on the other side of the field). I just think Kelly could be succesful in the NFL. Hell, his demeanor is that of an NFL coach. He's no Pete Carrol. And he already works with professional athletes!
 
The Kelly to the NFL talk is interesting, some good points here. Kelly isn't an Oregon man, he's loyal because they are the ones who offered him the opportunity to coach but as mentioned he is not from there. He is also a guy who likes a challenge and you have to think that in the back of his mind he wants to know if he can win in the NFL.

Another factor is he has to be thinking where he is going with Oregon. If his big goal is to win the NC then he hasn't accomplished it but he has taken them to BCS bowl games and top 10 rankings. With the recuiting issues of the past couple of years he has to think that the NCAA is going to be taking a closer look at Oregon from here on out. They are also getting some scrutiny from the local university community. So far, in both cases nothing he can't deal with with but he has to be wondering if he hasn't topped out the potential of the job.

We have seen other schools with a huge amount more resources and tradition struggle with the loss of a dynamic coach. It has to follow that Oregon would have a hard time maintaining their success at the level they have if Kelly leaves.
 
You need to manufacture points on defense and special teams as well. Oregon puts the ball on the ground a fair amount.
 
If you look at the two teams that beat Oregon this year, they did it with dominant d-line play. In LSU's case it was the entire game, in USC's case they did get gassed after a while. If I understand correctly, Oregon's uses a zone blocking scheme which just tries to occupy people and then use their team speed to pick the seems and hit them. DL who are big enough to shed the blockers and quick enough to react to the QB/RB beat them.

As BB points out, they do put the ball on the ground a lot.

Kelly is an interesting character. He has really pissed off a lot of people in the media here with his attitude. He can get away with that as long as they are winning but if things slip, he's not going to have many friendly voices backing him up.
 
I have a hard time imagining an NFL team coming after Coach Kelly although who knows what the NFL minds are thinking. I really do believe recruiting just to beat Oregon is the wrong way to go about this. Sure recruiting speed on defense to match up with spread offenses is important since the Pac-12 is full of them, but if you recruit just to beat Oregon you will get killed in bowl games. Oregon has that problem now because while they can run up and down on Pac-12 teams they have struggled to beat teams that have a month to prepare. Some of it has to do that our offense takes a lot of repetition and the month off builds up a lost of rust, but it also has to do that teams have an extra 3 weeks worth of practices to try and beat the spread.

You need more then a big D-line to beat Oregon although with DT as our QB that may be all you need. You need fast LB's who can plug the holes, but are not so small they get dominated by the OL. Teams also need great corners because they will be on an island and even though Oregon is not a major passing threat this offense will be once DT moves on. If Oregon can get USC type recievers which hopefully they have some in this red-shirting class it will open up the passing game which a team with only a big D-line would get killed by.

Truthfully I am fine he pissed off the local media since most of them are as dumb as a brick. The local media here is a joke and is really anti Oregon for whatever reason I will never know.

The best way to beat Oregon is hope we beat ourselves. Look at the losses in recent years that Oregon has and all but the Stanford one can be blamed on turnovers. We outgained LSU, but because we had 3 more turnovers and they converted them to TD's. Not saying Oregon would win that game, but it sure as hell would have made it closer. Against USC Oregon had turnovers and mental mistakes on 4th downs they should have converted. Against Auburn the defense played great, but the OL had no answer for Nick Fairley so we continued to turn over the ball and only lost by a field goal. Against tOSU the Ducks had a chance to take a double digit lead early into the game and instead turned it over and with Oregon driving LGB fumbles then punts the ball to a tOSU player. This Oregon team under Chip Kelly has been great, but have been beatable if you can force turnovers.
 
Boulder Buff said:
That is a really funny post. Oregon just beats themselves!
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Well its true as of late the best way to beat Oregon is let them beat themselves. Sure the Stanford and BSU loses were legitimate ass kickings, but the other games were Oregon kicking their own asses. Oregon is a high risk offense and will turnover the ball and as long as a team capitalizes they will beat Oregon.
 
That's not completely true. If USC didn't turnover the ball, the game wouldn't have even been that close.
 
CD has a point, though. Similar to the old OU (as on OK) wishbone - high risk, but high reward in the right hands.
 
CanadianDuck said:
I have a hard time imagining an NFL team coming after Coach Kelly although who knows what the NFL minds are thinking. I really do believe recruiting just to beat Oregon is the wrong way to go about this. Sure recruiting speed on defense to match up with spread offenses is important since the Pac-12 is full of them, but if you recruit just to beat Oregon you will get killed in bowl games. Oregon has that problem now because while they can run up and down on Pac-12 teams they have struggled to beat teams that have a month to prepare. Some of it has to do that our offense takes a lot of repetition and the month off builds up a lost of rust, but it also has to do that teams have an extra 3 weeks worth of practices to try and beat the spread.

You need more then a big D-line to beat Oregon although with DT as our QB that may be all you need. You need fast LB's who can plug the holes, but are not so small they get dominated by the OL. Teams also need great corners because they will be on an island and even though Oregon is not a major passing threat this offense will be once DT moves on. If Oregon can get USC type recievers which hopefully they have some in this red-shirting class it will open up the passing game which a team with only a big D-line would get killed by.

Truthfully I am fine he pissed off the local media since most of them are as dumb as a brick. The local media here is a joke and is really anti Oregon for whatever reason I will never know.

The best way to beat Oregon is hope we beat ourselves. Look at the losses in recent years that Oregon has and all but the Stanford one can be blamed on turnovers. We outgained LSU, but because we had 3 more turnovers and they converted them to TD's. Not saying Oregon would win that game, but it sure as hell would have made it closer. Against USC Oregon had turnovers and mental mistakes on 4th downs they should have converted. Against Auburn the defense played great, but the OL had no answer for Nick Fairley so we continued to turn over the ball and only lost by a field goal. Against tOSU the Ducks had a chance to take a double digit lead early into the game and instead turned it over and with Oregon driving LGB fumbles then punts the ball to a tOSU player. This Oregon team under Chip Kelly has been great, but have been beatable if you can force turnovers.
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You don't know anti-team media if you think that's what's going on in Portland. They have an entire radio station dedicated to kissing duck ass 24/7. Sure Canzano will say something obnoxious once in a while but that's what he gets paid to do. Kelly is a pure dismissive asshole in press conferences. I believe that attitude is going to bite him in the ass eventually.
 
why the **** would we want to focus our recruiting strategy on one team? that is way too short-sighted...

hcje needs to recruit to his own system. i'm thinking he has a vision that will set us apart in this conference and make kids want to come play for the buffs.

let those other ****ers recruit to beat us.
 
CanadianDuck said:
Well its true as of late the best way to beat Oregon is let them beat themselves. Sure the Stanford and BSU loses were legitimate ass kickings, but the other games were Oregon kicking their own asses. Oregon is a high risk offense and will turnover the ball and as long as a team capitalizes they will beat Oregon.
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2nd half LSU owned you on a neutral field.
 
I just want speed, speed, and more speed. If there is one thing I've seen in the P12 this year - speed rules.

I'm happy with the pro-style set offense and going to 3-4, but speed is the bottom line, period.
 
All you need to beat Oregon is solid fundamentals....

Granted, not many Pac teams have this now, but Oregon is gimmicky and they cannot win a pro-style game.

Solid D line and secondary.

Solid running game with adequate receivers.

Oregon loses....
 
You do what you need to do to win your conference. If that's the spread, then so be it. You can't worry about national bowl games UNTIL you get there. CU isn't even close. CU was a good team in 89, but lost in Orange bowl because ND stacked up really well against the team. We were built to beat NU and OU. The team won it the next year and then a few short years later Mac decided it was best to go to a more pro-set. Had we stayed with the option we would have landed Frazier and Kordell would have been a major stud. It didn't happen that way.

CU wants UO's recruits. Not for the spread, but because they are both targetting a lot of the same guys that are highly recruited. Some of them will pan out and others won't, but it's a numbers game. The more 4* an 5* players we get the better the chance we have to win the conference, including beating UO.

The conference lacks physical football teams because it's easier to recruit the kinds of players in the area and because the refs throw flags for any contact. It's easier to get good really fast with the spread than with an LSU type of team where it takes years upon years upon years to build up that defensive talent (and my god, their ST are unnreal!). If Embree can recruit the types of kids he wants--thinking along the lines of SC and Stanford--then we might be able to do well, but the brand of football is different. It's tough. It's a field position game. It's turnover free. The defense isn't put on an island for most of the game. We have a lot of room to grow. But first we have to be competitive in our conference. I don't want to beat UO, I want to beat up on the Pac12.
 
LOL @ duckie. You may have seen a lot of tiger fans at that game, but it's nothing like playing them at Baton Rouge or in the nahleans.
 
CU hasn't won significant games since the guys who we are recruiting were coming out of elementary school. I believe that Embree and staff have some very solid recruitiers and our talent level is going to go up significantly in the next few years.

That said, we have to offer guys a reason to come to CU when they are being recruited by us and other schools that have been winning more. One of the advantages we have is a coaching staff with significant NFL experience, recruiting guys with the idea that we will run NFL schemes with coaches who know what the NFL demands will give some of the guys we are after at the least a reason to listen to CU.

I also think it is an advantage to not try to run the same system as the majority of your conference is running. Give them something to prepare for that they don't see everyday.
 
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