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ahoelsken

ahoelsken

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just went 0-fer the bowl season again. Oregon State lost to Utah State. Washington State got beat by Central Michigan (who found out they were playing WSU on like three days notice). Oregon got nuked by an Oklahoma team who had to pull Bob Stoops out of retirement to coach. Arizona State lost an ugly Vegas bowl to Wisconsin. Utah gagged away three different 14 point leads (14-0, 21-7, and 35-21) against an Ohio State team who probably wanted nothing to do with that game.

If this institution actually gave a **** about football, imagine what we could get done.
 
hawg1 said:
What did they do wrong?
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www.si.com

The Struggle of Assigning Blame, Coping With UCLA Football Backing Out of Holiday Bowl - Sports Illustrated UCLA Bruins News, Analysis and More

The COVID-19 situation was far from black and white, and while it highlights issues in many areas, some should be spared from unwarranted criticism.
www.si.com www.si.com

The link I posted is from the UCLA SI blog. The guy who wrote it said UCLA (talking Kelly and Jarmond in particular) wasn't upfront with their COVID positives with NC State and the Holiday Bowl. A lot of the positives we know about came from their players or their families saying so. I don't think it would have been too much to ask teams this year to be honest about the number of positives with the opponent and bowl committee. UCLA allowed most of their players to engage in the usual pre-bowl fun we see leading up to these games without masks. That isn't a good look-especially given how tough California as a state has been on COVID. Jarmond announced in the middle of a $75 a plate brunch last week that UCLA had to pull out of the game. Dave Doeren and NC State are right to be pissed. Is it wrong? Debatable. Bad PR UCLA and this conference don't need? Yes.....especially when you compare the way UCLA handled their situation with the way Miami, Texas A&M, and Boise State (the three other teams who had to back out of their bowls). The way those three handled their situations allowed for the Sun Bowl to set up the WSU-CMU game yesterday and the Gator Bowl to get Rutgers. Is it wrong? That's debatable. Is this bad PR that UCLA and the conference don't need? Yes.
 
ahoelsken said:
www.si.com

The Struggle of Assigning Blame, Coping With UCLA Football Backing Out of Holiday Bowl - Sports Illustrated UCLA Bruins News, Analysis and More

The COVID-19 situation was far from black and white, and while it highlights issues in many areas, some should be spared from unwarranted criticism.
www.si.com www.si.com

The link I posted is from the UCLA SI blog. The guy who wrote it said UCLA (talking Kelly and Jarmond in particular) wasn't upfront with their COVID positives with NC State and the Holiday Bowl. A lot of the positives we know about came from their players or their families saying so. I don't think it would have been too much to ask teams this year to be honest about the number of positives with the opponent and bowl committee. UCLA allowed most of their players to engage in the usual pre-bowl fun we see leading up to these games without masks. That isn't a good look-especially given how tough California as a state has been on COVID. Jarmond announced in the middle of a $75 a plate brunch last week that UCLA had to pull out of the game. Dave Doeren and NC State are right to be pissed. Is it wrong? Debatable. Bad PR UCLA and this conference don't need? Yes.....especially when you compare the way UCLA handled their situation with the way Miami, Texas A&M, and Boise State (the three other teams who had to back out of their bowls). The way those three handled their situations allowed for the Sun Bowl to set up the WSU-CMU game yesterday and the Gator Bowl to get Rutgers. Is it wrong? That's debatable. Is this bad PR that UCLA and the conference don't need? Yes.
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What is UCLA supposed to tell NCSU? Yes, they had positives. But it’s just not protocol to tell the other team (see Wilner article) about possible issues that may or may not impact the game, and could be competitive. You just don’t do that.

They were cleared to play the game until they got back positives in the DL group at 1100 am. They made the announcement at Noon. Until then, they were cleared to play.

it’s unfortunate. They are catching hell. I don’t see why based on the information and timeline.
 
ahoelsken said:
just went 0-fer the bowl season again. Oregon State lost to Utah State. Washington State got beat by Central Michigan (who found out they were playing WSU on like three days notice). Oregon got nuked by an Oklahoma team who had to pull Bob Stoops out of retirement to coach. Arizona State lost an ugly Vegas bowl to Wisconsin. Utah gagged away three different 14 point leads (14-0, 21-7, and 35-21) against an Ohio State team who probably wanted nothing to do with that game.
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It's not as bad as you're making it out to be. It's only been 2 years since this conference last won a bowl game, that's not so bad.
 
LongHaulBuff said:
Regardless of your little "hot take" comment it was a BS stunt they pulled. Enjoy your little "buzzwords" that are suppose to "zing" your target. Asshole
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UCLA followed protocol. They pulled no stunt. They got results from final tests at 1100 am. They cancelled the game at noon. Until that time they intended to play.

Nice hot take. Nice name calling.

But you are wrong.
 
hawg1 said:
UCLA followed protocol. They pulled no stunt. They got results from final tests at 1100 am. They cancelled the game at noon. Until that time they intended to play.

Nice hot take. Nice name calling.

But you are wrong.
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OK cool cool so I think you're wrong and said nothing to prove you're not an asshole. Happy New Year.
 
LongHaulBuff said:
OK cool cool so I think you're wrong and said nothing to prove you're not an asshole. Happy New Year.
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The timeline is laid out clearly in the News and Observer article. It was not a stunt by UCLA. They followed protocol. Many are saying bad things about them, including you, undeservingly.
 
hawg1 said:
What is UCLA supposed to tell NCSU? Yes, they had positives. But it’s just not protocol to tell the other team (see Wilner article) about possible issues that may or may not impact the game, and could be competitive. You just don’t do that.

They were cleared to play the game until they got back positives in the DL group at 1100 am. They made the announcement at Noon. Until then, they were cleared to play.

it’s unfortunate. They are catching hell. I don’t see why based on the information and timeline.
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Go back and read the article again. It said that UCLA players and parents were acknowledging positives on social media. If their players and families are being honest about testing positives, its on UCLA to do the same and communicate them to both NCSU and the Holiday Bowl people. UCLA also was allowing their players to take part in pre-bowl activities without masks.....knowing they had a positive before they even arrived in San Diego. Why?
 
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ahoelsken said:
Go back and read the article again. It said that UCLA players and parents were acknowledging positives on social media. If their players and families are being honest about testing positives, its on UCLA to do the same and communicate them to both NCSU and the Holiday Bowl people. UCLA also was allowing their players to take part in pre-bowl activities without masks. Why?
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They had positives. They acknowledged that. Wilner article lays out why it’s not standard to report to other team that you have positives when you have intentions to play the game. They were cleared for the social event by the medical staff. I don’t know why they didn’t wear masks. They intended to play the game up until the series of positive tests at 1100 am. They called it off at noon.
 
hawg1 said:
You

They had positives. They acknowledged that. Wilner article lays out why it’s not standard to report to other team that you have positives when you have intentions to play the game. They were cleared for the social event by the medical staff. I don’t know why they didn’t wear masks. They intended to play the game up until the series of positive tests at 1100 am. They called it off at noon.
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When your players and families are acknowledging positive tests and you're not as a school, what are you trying to accomplish?
 
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ahoelsken said:
When your players and families are acknowledging positive tests and you're not as a school, what are you trying to accomplish?
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As Wilner noted, teams just don’t report the ebbs and flows of testing. That just doesn’t happen. Anywhere.

sports360az.com

Wilner Hotline – Oregon Collapse, No Holiday for UCLA

<p>Commentary on Pac-12 results on and off the field … Falling: UCLA’s postseason After backing out of the Holiday Bowl hours before kickoff because of COVID, the Bruins were summarily…</p>
sports360az.com sports360az.com

 
hawg1 said:
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As Wilner noted, teams just don’t report the ebbs and flows of testing. That just doesn’t happen. Anywhere.

sports360az.com

Wilner Hotline – Oregon Collapse, No Holiday for UCLA

<p>Commentary on Pac-12 results on and off the field … Falling: UCLA’s postseason After backing out of the Holiday Bowl hours before kickoff because of COVID, the Bruins were summarily…</p>
sports360az.com sports360az.com
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"We don't have to report COVID positives" is a card UCLA shouldn't be playing-especially when their players and families are being open about it on social media.

Of course the Mike Klis of the Pac 12 is throwing that out there though.
 
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ahoelsken said:
Wilner is a Pac 12 shill. Again-UCLA looks bad because their players/families are acknowledging positive tests....and they're not.
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UCLA acknowledge positive tests. See timeline.

You don’t like what he says about informing others of test issues because he’s a shill. OK. But it’s true. No team does that.
 
hawg1 said:
UCLA acknowledge positive tests. See timeline.

You don’t like what he says about informing others of test issues because he’s a shill. OK. But it’s true. No team does that.
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No. I think what he says about test issues is horse**** because UCLA's players and their families were being honest about it on social media-like I've told you now several times. One of their bloggers (who is probably even more biased than the Pac 12's Baghdad Bob is) wrote about that. If they're doing that, the school needs to be open about it. Period.

Excerpt from the article: But for anyone paying attention, it was obvious UCLA was on the edge. The following sentence appeared in the L.A. Times on Christmas Eve:

“The Bruins (8-4) are holding their breath for the next four days pending results from additional tests before the game that could knock a player out at the last minute.”

Another reason UCLA deserves the **** they're taking over this-there is no reason NOT to be honest in this case. And that's before we talk about California being the only state forcing their major college programs to test like that.
 
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ahoelsken said:
just went 0-fer the bowl season again. Oregon State lost to Utah State. Washington State got beat by Central Michigan (who found out they were playing WSU on like three days notice). Oregon got nuked by an Oklahoma team who had to pull Bob Stoops out of retirement to coach. Arizona State lost an ugly Vegas bowl to Wisconsin. Utah gagged away three different 14 point leads (14-0, 21-7, and 35-21) against an Ohio State team who probably wanted nothing to do with that game.

If this institution actually gave a **** about football, imagine what we could get done.
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But we have a progressive spirit of diversity and inclusion. So there is that.
 
UCLA should have been more forthright. NCSU's coach is a little bitch. He doesn't give a **** about "his" program. He cares about his job and the bonus he would have "earned" with that 10th win. Make no mistake about that. We're all self serving.
 
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But we have a progressive spirit of diversity and inclusion. So there is that.
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That’s it. What if we as fans start identifying as fans who root for a football program that has the full backing of the University? The University will have no choice but to treat us as such and make it so.
 
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