We now take you to USC, UA, Okie Lite, Auburn, Da U, KANSAS, & NC State

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  1. Uncle Luko

    Uncle Luko Peckerwood Club Member

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    Would you call Arizona a blue blood? Maybe, a fringe blue blood imo. They have won a lot, over the years. I still wouldn't put them up there with Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, etc..
     
  2. buffaholic

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    To Creebuzz's point, there's degrees. I'm still not on board that everyone is cheating, including Tad. There's always been helping player's families get to games stuff going on. But paying players is quite a different line.

    We used to call it carpooling. Those families with the vehicle usually drove and bought the gas. Some of those flights got kind of hairy though...
     
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  3. MtnBuff

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    Arizona is a wannabe blue blood, they aren't one.

    Thus being willing to allow and support Miller in doing anything he wants in trying to buy their way into that club.

    When even the schools that are considered to be the blue bloods are spending money in this way it is very hard to imagine competing with them without doing at least as much.

    For my money (yes used those words on purpose) the blue bloods are

    Duke,
    Kentucky,
    North Carolina
    Kansas

    Close to blue blood, either were in the past and could get back easily or are climbing into it

    Indiana
    UCLA
    UConn
    Louisville
    Michigan State
    Villanova

    Next tier either wannabes or have some of the qualifications

    Arizona
    Virginia
    Georgetown
    Syracuse
     
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  4. Uncle Luko

    Uncle Luko Peckerwood Club Member

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    I'd agree, hard to argue your list. The top group definitely has consistency on it's side. Idk that I'd put Virginia where they are, at least, not lately. That losing to a 16 will probably always follow their ass, though.
     
  5. buffaholic

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    We can debate blue blood all day, but it's clear to me that Arizona has been able to attract some of the best talent, and that has been much more noticeable since Miller took over. It's a destination in the last decade or so. Before that, Lute was doing it the hard way more so than the way it seems done today.

    So maybe UofA isn't a blue blood, but they are one of the top $$ programs in the land. UCLA? Not so much. Empty arenas, same PAC12 revenue share the rest of us are getting... meh.

    Does it matter to these kids about Blue Blood lineage, or are we simply talking cash here? KU has zealots pouring cash into that program. Is it ok for them to have that cash advantage (i.e. pay the players)? **** that. It's Yankees free agency in baseball all over again. T
     
  6. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Lute played the game just as Miller does.

    Miller’s not dirty by peer standards. He’s in line with industry standards. He just got caught up in an assistant going outside standard, safe, protocols. When I see Miller making national headlines in this scandal when certain other coaches/programs haven’t even been mentioned, it makes me cringe. (fwiw, the biggest loophole is boosters or religious schools being able to funnel money to whomever through church donations & disbursements.)
     
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  7. buffaholic

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    We debated this before but I'd prefer to see the evidence. We know Miller is dirty. He got caught and I hope he's punished.

    The above loophole sounds like money laundering and tax fraud. Are they writing 1099s? How does a religious school benefit?
     
  8. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Baylor, for example, is the flagship for a big chunk of baptists with the associated churches. Either from a booster or by directive, local church provides charitable economic assistance to a family or agent (who may be an ordained pastor). For boosters, it’s tax deductible. For receivers, it’s tax free. All above board. Doesn’t have to be a religious school to use this, it just makes it easier. As an example, this is sort of how Auburn got Cam Newton - couple hundred grand donated to dad so he could start a church I don’t believe he ever ended up doing.
     
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  9. BehindEnemyLines

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    Fucla is a blue blood, whether we like it or not.
     
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  10. MtnBuff

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    They were in the past, I don't think they are now.

    They are however the right coach and one wealthy donor who wants to buy some wins away from being right back into it. I put Indiana in the same spot for the same reason.
     
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  11. Uncle Luko

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    Hear ya, tough to ignore the history, though. I don't think I'd consider them a blue blood, atm, they could be, getting the right people in place.
     
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    One aspect of a blue blood is how quickly things can turn around. I hope we don't experience that any time soon.
     
  13. buffaholic

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    I'd call them green bloods. UCLA is not making money in MBB. They also aren't spending enough... On church related activities.
     
  14. NWD Buff

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    I don't think you guys understand the meaning of the term "blue bloods".
     
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    KU is a victim of Adidas to the same extent that they once hired Danny Manning Sr. based on his coaching acumen.
     
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    So the NCAA is going to come down hard on NAU?
     
  19. Uncle Luko

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    I'll believe they'll get the hammer dropped on them when I see it.
     
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    Start the Luke Walton to Pooh of A countdown!
     
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    Seems like the statement has enough ambiguity as to give Miller plausible deniability.
     
  22. Uncle Luko

    Uncle Luko Peckerwood Club Member

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    Damn, 10,000 a month? I know guys get money, idk if I thought it would be in that range.
     
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    Better question with this thread is is there enough to start a thread specifically on them? Lol. Sweaty Sean is finished.
     
  24. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    It seems everyone does what Sean did.
     
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    Hopefully this happens and the EA Sports NCAA game comes back!
     
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