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Mike MacIntyre listened to me

Phoenix is key as it's blowing up. A lot of those kids who used to come from East LA, moved to the inland Empire and/or Phoenix. I say and/or, because many families made a hop over into Riverside County before heading further east, as it just keeps getting cheaper. Tip of the iceberg on a new trend imo.

Plus the mentality of Zonies is much like Colorado kids. They often prefer to leave home for college. And Colorado is perceived as so cool. Always has been.

Hawaii - we don't have any numbers on our roster either (of Poly kids), and the track record hasn't been great. Tui and Cabral together got a few kids, but not enough to make a difference. I'd agree that Hawaii isn't worth the time right now, but I'd really like to see us make a better inroad into the Poly kids on the mainland (Tupou, Kafovalu). We need to get some Poly kids in the next class or our attraction will wane.
 
there are some guys who can play in these locales. if by some miracle we are some day somehow somewhat relevant again in football, they can start recruiting more nationally again. i'd love to get some recruits from sec territory but that's apparently nothing but a peyote-infused dream at this point.
 
Darth Snow said:
certainly gonna help keep our recruiting budget down. We were #1 or 2 in the P12 last year.
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Our recruiting budget will almost always be in the top handful of P12 teams, if not always the top 1 or 2. Especially with the new rules stating that schools can pay for "family" (which can be aunts, uncles, grandmas, etc. - whoever the kid designates as family on visits). The last minute flights to CO can get pricey at times, and those St. Julien rooms add up.
 
not to derail this thread from the recruiting stuff... but did anyone see this in the article??

"Some attrition from the 2012 Buffs roster is expected. Starting junior left tackle David Bakhtiari is declaring his eligibility for the 2013 NFL Draft, and kicker Zach Grossnickle and tight end DaVaughn Thornton are both graduating and have decided not to return for a fifth year of football. Plus, several other players are awaiting medical clearance."

I thought Thornton was coming back. Did I miss a whole segment on him changing his mind again?
 
Liver said:
there are some guys who can play in these locales. if by some miracle we are some day somehow somewhat relevant again in football, they can start recruiting more nationally again. i'd love to get some recruits from sec territory but that's apparently nothing but a peyote-infused dream at this point.
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Miracle? Don't see it taking anywhere near that.

And going into SEC territory to try and get a kid from Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, etc. is going to be damn near impossible unless the kid loves the Buffs. There are too many other schools, from outside the SEC recruiting their already to put in any actual time there.
 
Buffskier said:
not to derail this thread from the recruiting stuff... but did anyone see this in the article??

"Some attrition from the 2012 Buffs roster is expected. Starting junior left tackle David Bakhtiari is declaring his eligibility for the 2013 NFL Draft, and kicker Zach Grossnickle and tight end DaVaughn Thornton are both graduating and have decided not to return for a fifth year of football. Plus, several other players are awaiting medical clearance."

I thought Thornton was coming back. Did I miss a whole segment on him changing his mind again?
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It's been a discussion over in Barzil all morning... DT is graduating and moving on.
 
Darth Snow said:
certainly gonna help keep our recruiting budget down. We were #1 or 2 in the P12 last year.
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I think the last staff would've kept a similar territory(+ EB recruiting Lousiana probably more than he needed to), they just ended up with Sherrard which got them into DC, and the "Donmac pipeline" kept pulling them back to Jersey. Hawkins took the true national recruiting strategy. I remember he had Hagan going to all kinds of camps on the east coast, including one in Pennsylvania that got us a couple gems like Lamont Harris and Devan Johnson in 07.
 
'Tini said:
Miracle? Don't see it taking anywhere near that.

And going into SEC territory to try and get a kid from Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, etc. is going to be damn near impossible unless the kid loves the Buffs. There are too many other schools, from outside the SEC recruiting their already to put in any actual time there.
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kiddo, if we get back, somehow, by some miracle, to be good again, we'll get guys from the sec states. maybe you've heard of kordell stewart?

i happen to agree with the strategy in the short run of narrowing the focus, but that doesn't mean i don't find it to be distasteful when viewed in the context of many years of actually being good in football.
 
Liver said:
kiddo, if we get back, somehow, by some miracle, to be good again, we'll get guys from the sec states. maybe you've heard of kordell stewart?

i happen to agree with the strategy in the short run of narrowing the focus, but that doesn't mean i don't find it to be distasteful when viewed in the context of many years of actually being good in football.
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1990 - not even close to being relevant, no social media, no SEC domination, etc. Recruiting in SEC territory, really at any level will just prove to be a waste of money, unless your name is USC.
 
'Tini said:
1990 - not even close to being relevant, no social media, no SEC domination, etc. Recruiting in SEC territory, really at any level will just prove to be a waste of money, unless your name is USC.
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'Tini with a beat down, even though he made the mistake of giving Liver an opening with which to slither into.
 
'Tini said:
1990 - not even close to being relevant, no social media, no SEC domination, etc. Recruiting in SEC territory, really at any level will just prove to be a waste of money, unless your name is USC.
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how would you know what the early 90s were like?

did you listen to an audio book or something?

good players want to play with other good players. but, it does require the program to be relevant again, which i realize is a stretch of the imagination.
 
Darth Snow said:
'Tini with a beat down, even though he made the mistake of giving Liver an opening with which to slither into.
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sno, i guess i shouldn't be surprised, but you're grading on a curve by calling *that* a beat-down. where are your standards? oh yeah, nevermind. i remember now.
 
'Tini said:
1990 - not even close to being relevant, no social media, no SEC domination, etc. Recruiting in SEC territory, really at any level will just prove to be a waste of money, unless your name is USC.
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:popcorn:
 
Liver said:
sno, i guess i shouldn't be surprised, but you're grading on a curve by calling *that* a beat-down. where are your standards? oh yeah, nevermind. i remember now.
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His argument was succinct, factual, and accurate. As for standards, just because you want to bang my mom doesn't mean you have standards.
 
Darth Snow said:
His argument was succinct, factual, and accurate. As for standards, just because you want to bang my mom doesn't mean you have standards.
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Yet amazingly, Liver managed to address 'Tini's argument in his previous post.
 
Orr said:
Neg rep for disrespect.
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Someone's feeling a little sensitive about their standards. Wait, do you mean Snows mom? I have the utmost respect for her. Liver assures us she will do things few women will!

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Burrito Palazzo said:
Someone's feeling a little sensitive about their standards. Wait, do you mean Snows mom? I have the utmost respect for her. Liver assures us she will do things few women will!

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You mean she actually talked to him?
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Burrito Palazzo said:
Someone's feeling a little sensitive about their standards. Wait, do you mean Snows mom? I have the utmost respect for her. Liver assures us she will do things few women will!

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what she lacks in technique, she makes up for with enthusiasm. i gave her a glowing review on yelp.
 
Darth Snow said:
Heh. Liver with a hooker. That would be hilarious. Man would bleach his penis off.
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:rofl:

i've done enough threadjacking in this one so i'm exhibiting self-restraint. suffice it to say that i had an obvious, yet comedic, retort teed up for this.
 
A casual observation is that teams seem to do better when they recruit the areas they know. USC did well recruiting mostly SoCal. Now they are national and I'm just not sure. You can't "miss" and when you recruit kids from your "turf", you tend to know when to pass on a kid with a character issue, etc.

Another observation is that HCMM took 100% defensive guys. Partly because Embree had already taken 10 offensive guys (assuming I counted right). But he also took kids from a very tight geography.

Reed, Olugbode, Awuzie, and Severson are all local kids to SJSU. HCMM knows the coaches, the opponents coaches, and the referees, not to mention casual fans/alumni, etc. Add in the LB greyshirt kid and thats 5 NorCal kids. I suspect that is out of balance compared to SoCal for future recruiting. But I also think that the Bay area kids can get buried as there's not nearly as many good ones and Stanford is recruiting nationally and Cal was also trying to do that before bringing in a guy who knows nothing about NorCal.

The article pretty much confirms. HCMM took the 4-5 best kids he had targeted for SJSU and thinks they are very good players. Then he adds in a guy who nobody seemed to know except the local HS coaches in Colorado (Coleman) and a RB from San Diego.

I'm not going to argue these kids stand up to what the top of the Pac12 is recruiting on paper, but I think there's a good chance these kids prove to be pretty solid. I've got a LOT more concern with the commits we retained.
 
2010 Census figures for metropolitan areas in the United States:

2. Los Angeles/Long Beach/Santa Ana: 12.83 million
4. Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington: 6.37 million
5. Houston/Sugar Land/Baytown: 5.95 million
11. San Francisco/Oakland/Fremont: 4.34 million
12. Riverside/San Bernadino/Ontario: 4.22 million
14. Phoenix/Mesa/Glendale: 4.19 million
17. San Diego/Carlsbad/San Marcos: 3.10 million
21. Denver/Aurora/Broomfield: 2.54 million
25. Sacramento/Arden/Arcade/Roseville: 2.15 million
31: San Jose/Sunnyvale/Santa Clara: 1.84 million

Go where the players are.

I don't think people realize just how big the Inland Empire and Phoenix really are, they are exploding. As buffaholic mentioned, lots of families have moved east over the last two decades.
 
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