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Tubby Smith fired

Buffnik said:
But they fired him after his most successful season. I mean, why put up with the previous years if you're going to fire him for making the Round of 32?
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That's a great question -- the easy answer to that is too little, too late. It's a different AD too than the one who hired him so naturally the loyalty factor isn't going to be there. I'm sure this decision was made with the long-term in mind more than the short-term.
 
Buffnik said:
But they fired him after his most successful season. I mean, why put up with the previous years if you're going to fire him for making the Round of 32?
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JG touched on this, it is the same reason Howland is out at UCLA, he simply wore out his welcome.

Although this year was marginally more successful than other, but it is not like you could point to serious visible progress during Tubby's regime they were always about the same every year. He hurt himself with talented player defections, losing home town kids out of state, alienating boosters, and being tough to work with. None of that really matters when you are getting better year in and year out but when you perform basically at the same level for a long period of time eventually people get sick of it and you lose your job.
 
absinthe said:
JG touched on this, it is the same reason Howland is out at UCLA, he simply wore out his welcome.

Although this year was marginally more successful than other, but it is not like you could point to serious visible progress during Tubby's regime they were always about the same every year. He hurt himself with talented player defections, losing home town kids out of state, alienating boosters, and being tough to work with. None of that really matters when you are getting better year in and year out but when you perform basically at the same level for a long period of time eventually people get sick of it and you lose your job.
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Bottom line was he wasn't winning enough especially at his salary to justify keeping him. Minnesota didn't hire him with the goal of winning one NCAA tournament game in six years. I'm not saying they should've been competing for Final Fours, but I don't think it was unrealistic to expect them to atleast get of the first weekend by this point.
 
cubuffs85 said:
Bottom line was he wasn't winning enough especially at his salary to justify keeping him. Minnesota didn't hire him with the goal of winning one NCAA tournament game in six years. I'm not saying they should've been competing for Final Fours, but I don't think it was unrealistic to expect them to atleast get of the first weekend by this point.
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He did just get them their first tournament win since 1997.
 
Buffnik said:
But they fired him after his most successful season. I mean, why put up with the previous years if you're going to fire him for making the Round of 32?
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Making the Round of 32 merely emphasized that Tubby drove off the following players who also made that round for other teams:

Cobbs from Cal, Devoe Joseph at Oregon, Colton Iverson at CSU and Royce White at Iowa State were all signed by Tubby and left.

$2 mill this year, for ONE Dance win and guys like these playing for other Dance teams, when you notch that single win ?

Then you PO donors, like RP did? Plus his contract for "up for discussion" after the 2012-2013 season.

No mystery there!
 
CVilleBuff said:
He did just get them their first tournament win since 1997.
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Maybe Northwestern should've kept Bill Carmody, he had to get them to the Tourney one of these years? I did say it was the combo of it taking six years, a relatively high salary, and not meeting expectations that doomed him. If he's making $800k good chance he's still employed IMO.
 
cubuffs85 said:
Maybe Northwestern should've kept Bill Carmody, he had to get them to the Tourney one of these years? I did say it was the combo of it taking six years, a relatively high salary, and not meeting expectations that doomed him. If he's making $800k good chance he's still employed IMO.
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I fail to see how your point is even applicable. Smith accomplished their best season in 16 years. Carmody did not accomplish. Apples and Oranges.
 
CVilleBuff said:
I fail to see how your point is even applicable. Smith accomplished their best season in 16 years. Carmody did not accomplish. Apples and Oranges.
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The point with Carmody is he led Northwestern to more success, than any other coach in the last 60 years, still can't keep him when the bar is that low. It took Tubby six years to get there, if the bar is getting to the 2nd round, you keep him. He was hired to do better than that and failed. I guarantee you administration expected him to do more by this point. As Buffenuf made the point I did, you don't pay him $2 million/year for a single NCAA win.
 
cubuffs85 said:
The point with Carmody is he led Northwestern to more success, than any other coach in the last 60 years, still can't keep him when the bar is that low. It took Tubby six years to get there, if the bar is getting to the 2nd round, you keep him. He was hired to do better than that and failed. I guarantee you administration expected him to do more by this point. As Buffenuf made the point I did, you don't pay him $2 million/year for a single NCAA win.
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2 million a year for 3 NCAA Tournament appearances and 2 NITs. That's quite reasonable success at Minnesota. It's a high price? Certainly. Is it likely Minnesota ever becomes a regular in the second weekend of the Tournament? No, not at all.
 
CVilleBuff said:
2 million a year for 3 NCAA Tournament appearances and 2 NITs. That's quite reasonable success at Minnesota. It's a high price? Certainly. Is it likely Minnesota ever becomes a regular in the second weekend of the Tournament? No, not at all.
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I don't think they needed to be regular in the second weekend for him to keep his job. They just needed a few more Tourney wins. Winning the "second round" once every few years would've been OK. Making it out of the first weekend once every 4-6 years would've been OK. I really don't think Minnesota was unfair to him. It would've been nice if they built a practice facility, but he knew well the limitations of the program when he took over.
 
BuffAlum2007 said:
Seth Davis ‏@SethDavisHoops 3m As long as I'm feeling punchy....here's one for the Twitter rumor mill. I'm hearing Tad Boyle's name bandied about for Minnesota.
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I have no trouble believing that Minnesota would contact Boyle, but I can't see one good reason why he would take the job (except money.) He's got a young, promising team playing before a packed stadium in his home state, he's got recruiting avenues opened to California and Texas, and he's already in a power conference. Minnesota's frontcourt is graduating, the fans have unrealistic expectations, the facilities are old, and nobody from Tads recruiting area wants to go to Minnesota.
 
jcatcher said:
I have no trouble believing that Minnesota would contact Boyle, but I can't see one good reason why he would take the job (except money.) He's got a young, promising team playing before a packed stadium in his home state, he's got recruiting avenues opened to California and Texas, and he's already in a power conference. Minnesota's frontcourt is graduating, the fans have unrealistic expectations, the facilities are old, and nobody from Tads recruiting area wants to go to Minnesota.
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I am confident CU can match MINN money and recruiting there has been difficult.
 
Why are you all even talking about this? Seriously, reacting to every internet/twitter/ESPN rumor makes us look like a bunch of insecure pussy wannabees.

Get this ... TAD IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE ... SO STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT AND POSTING ABOUT IT! :bang:
 
L Buff said:
Why are you all even talking about this? Seriously, reacting to every internet/twitter/ESPN rumor makes us look like a bunch of insecure pussy wannabees.

Get this ... TAD IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE ... SO STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT AND POSTING ABOUT IT! :bang:
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It's the interwebz....we discuss things....
 
Minnesota already talking about candidates like Tad tells me they're not in good shape with this hire. Sure, Tad would be awesome for them (never happen, though). But the Gopher m.o. has been to target names like Tony Dungy in football and similar in basketball, thinking that they can attract an elite national coach. They come off as more than a bit delusion to me every time they're looking for a coach.

At the end of the day, they'll either hire a retread "name" like Tubby Smith was or end up hiring a guy like Greg Lansing of Indiana State.
 
Buffnik said:
Minnesota already talking about candidates like Tad tells me they're not in good shape with this hire. Sure, Tad would be awesome for them (never happen, though). But the Gopher m.o. has been to target names like Tony Dungy in football and similar in basketball, thinking that they can attract an elite national coach. They come off as more than a bit delusion to me every time they're looking for a coach.

At the end of the day, they'll either hire a retread "name" like Tubby Smith was or end up hiring a guy like Greg Lansing of Indiana State.
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shanahan to the buffs!
 
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Anyone want to correct them:
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/bo...being-rumored-to-be-in-play-for-Minnesota-Job

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They are going broke and have horrible facilities. Could give us a leg up.
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Buffnik said:
Minnesota already talking about candidates like Tad tells me they're not in good shape with this hire. Sure, Tad would be awesome for them (never happen, though). But the Gopher m.o. has been to target names like Tony Dungy in football and similar in basketball, thinking that they can attract an elite national coach. They come off as more than a bit delusion to me every time they're looking for a coach.

At the end of the day, they'll either hire a retread "name" like Tubby Smith was or end up hiring a guy like Greg Lansing of Indiana State.
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Dungy was a Minnesota alum; that's probably the only reason they thought they could make a run at him a few years ago...
 
absinthe said:
Anyone want to correct them:
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/bo...being-rumored-to-be-in-play-for-Minnesota-Job
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Always nice when someone makes declarative statements that have nothing do do with reality.

New practice facility.
New scoreboards and court in arena.
Additional improvements to both announced in January.
Men's basketball profitable for the first time in school history the past 2 years -- allowing things like every team flight being chartered and one of the nation's largest recruiting budgets.
Pac-12 media deals kicking in this year - richest in the nation.

Yeah. CU's in no position to hold onto a basketball coach.
 
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