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Bill Self - NBA "At some point in time"

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by Bone Buff, Aug 6, 2013.

  1. Bone Buff

    Bone Buff Well-Known Member

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    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-kansas-jayhawks-says-nba-tempting-some-point

    Dammit Bill. You stay there.

    reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBask..._self_interested_in_nba_coaching_job_at_some/

    Although, if he left sooner rather than later, I would think that Tad wouldn't have done enough yet to warrant him getting a serious look at the KU job.
     
  2. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    ****. that's basically him letting everyone know he's ready to move to the NBA. **** YOU SELF.
     
  3. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    Kansas really is one of the top destinations in college basketball, so they would have their pick of coaches.
     
  4. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    Speaking of reddit, no one has done a 150+ Teams for CU yet.
     
  5. BuffTE41

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    I would imagine Kansas would have several names on their list before Boyle in the event of Self leaving.
     
  6. rolandftw

    rolandftw Club Member Club Member

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    Exactly. Tad's done a great job here at CU, but the expectation at KU is Final Four/Championships. Don't think a name like Boyle that hasn't gotten to the sweet 16 would please most of their fanbase.
     
  7. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Kansas would go for Turgeon before Boyle, imho.

    That could change in the next couple years, though. And every program with money will have Boyle on its list in the coming years, so we had better be ready for it.
     
  8. Bone Buff

    Bone Buff Well-Known Member

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    Aren't Turgeon and Boyle both older than Self anyway? That's probably the primary argument against both of them.

    edit: Nevermind, turgeon is 2 years younger, self and boyle are both 50.
     
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  9. BuffTE41

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    If Self leaves I think Kansas will go after Greg Marshall at Wichita State. He's already in Kansas and took WSU to the Final Four. Boyle has done a phenomenal job here, but he hasn't even advanced to the Sweet-16 yet.
     
  10. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    I think CU's tournament success would have to increase significantly in order for him to get to or near the top of KU's list. Something like 3 Sweet 16's in 5 years with at least one of those years getting past the Sweet 16.
     
  11. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

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    This.

    Irrelevant to worry about until we're going deep in the tournament consistently.
     
  12. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I would say that Tad has been on their list for a couple years now. A&M and Nebraska have both been turned down. He keeps getting nice raises every year. A couple more years, and he'll be in a spot where money isn't an issue at all.
     
  13. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    I don't really read much into this. Not sure the NBA is really interested in Self.
     
  14. Ruckus

    Ruckus Peep my words. Club Member

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    People who think Tad needs to take CU to the Sweet 16 or better in order for big time programs to want him are silly. He's one of "those" coaches who are going to be sought after, despite that ****. Nothing to prove, he's the ****ing man.
     
  15. Shldr2Shldr

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    Tad has already proven plenty to be considered the next coaching star. He loves it here, his family loves it here, but if his alma mater came calling I think he would have to listen.
     
  16. sackman

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    We've said it all along - he isn't going anywhere *except* Kansas. I still believe that. Now, whether he ever gets that chance is another question altogether.
     
  17. DBT

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    So everyone assumes he'd take the KU Job if offered. I don't.
     
  18. sackman

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    Im not assuming that. I'm saying that KU is the only school he'd consider leaving CU for. He has a pretty good deal going here. I think he knows that.
     
  19. CVilleBuff

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    Why would the NBA want Bill Self? Hiring Bill Self wouldn't create any buzz whatsoever for any NBA team outside of a very hypothetical OKC move that's quite unlikely for the foreseeable future.
     
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  20. SBG

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    Alma mater? Check. Never having to ask for anything w/r/t facilities, etc? Check. Could you imagine his recruiting at KU? He'd be getting top guys and making them great with less effort than he has to right now.

    At 50 he has ~20 years or so to win a title and I wonder in how many of those he'll be chasing a title and at a place with the pedigree of KU he could be in the chase every year, again, with less effort and could go on for years. Assuming he gets a shot, he'll only ever get one given his age.

    I think it all depends on how his bosses run the program and enable him the ability to make a legit run. If the admin supports him we have a good chance of keeping him. That means paying market rate, making sure we don't fall behind the facilities arm race anymore than we have--UK's "residence hall" is ridiculous--and doing whatever they can (e.g. admissions) to help him. Keeping him happy isn't the same as paying large amounts of cash on a contract; things like micro-managing the program, removing the autonomy he had with Bohn (and the others), would cause him to leave.

    Tad has elevated the status of the program, but if there is a glass ceiling, well, it'll be interesting to see if he has a chance. What I believe he has done is make the CU job more lateral to other decent/good programs. We aren't a bottom feeder anymore, but we have to remember we are only 3 (4?) years removed from being terrible.
     
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  21. DBT

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    i may be wrong. I often am. But I just get the vibe that he loves it here and that he enjoys creating his own legacy. Then there is the old quote of his when asked what he'd say to an in state kid if the kid said, "You went out of state, why shouldn't I?" Tad said,"I'd tell him, don't make the same mistake I did." I believe he means it. If he left for KU, I'd be really disappointed in him.
     
  22. rolandftw

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    I agree that there is a good chance he would leave if offered. With that said, what is Tad really asking for at CU? Seems to me that they give him an extension every year, have given increases to assistant coaches salaries and the like. Guess they could do more, and imagine they will as time goes on, and some of the football renovations are taken care of (hopefully)

    Also as far as the recruiting goes, we don't know what type of players he'd bring in to KU. Obviously, they have a great tradition, and there are a lot of players that are interested in playing at KU, just because of that. But I'm a firm believer that players ultimately commit to play with a coach, more so then a University. Academics, teammates and traditions play a role as well, but if a player does not have a good relationship with a coaching staff, all of that other stuff is mostly irrelevant. A player has to believe what a coach is selling, and some of that is based on that coaches past history.

    If Boyle leads CU to Elite 8's over the next 2-3 years (Self's kid is on KU's team as walk-on but is only a sophomore, and it's hard to imagine him leaving before graduation), then sure, it's possible that KU will see Boyle as their best option, even at 53 years old. But if that happens, CU will be an incredibly desirable place for other coaches to be.
     
  23. BuffTE41

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    This. If Boyle warrants an offer from KU in the coming years then that will mean that CU is having historic success and going deep into the tournament.

    We would be able to attract a great coach and keep the momentum up, just couldn't botch it like we did with the football team in the mid-90's.
     
  24. Mick Ronson

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    i sort of like Self, but this feels more like salary and "i'm feeling under-appreciated" angling here.

    i think Tad is on a KU shortlist. Turgeon was an iconic player at KU and had success at Wich State....and i'd see him as #1 on the homer list.....but his move to Maryland still seems a bit weird to me. i'm not sure how that one turns out. Terps are always a peripheral team in the ACC, despite the Lonny Baxter/Steve Francis championship. with football TV revenue driving the political economy of sports through advertising....all the conference realignments....not sure what the future of the ACC really is.
     
  25. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

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    Louisville was more than an adequate replacement for Maryland. Better football, better basketball, continued upside. I see the ACC on pretty solid footing now. Swofford did what he needed to do. That Notre Dame "quasi-football" move pisses me off, but I see its benefits.
     
  26. CarolinaBuff

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    They also got all the current members to agree to the $50 million exit fee, which further solidifies the conference. And another thing that I just heard a few months ago is that if ND decides to get off their high horse and join a conference in football before 2016 (I think) it has to be the ACC.

    EDIT: It's actually 2027 for how long ND can only join the ACC if they decide to join a conference in football.

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/07/27/4195088/decock-controversial-acc-notre.html
     
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  27. CVilleBuff

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    Yep, as much as I dislike Swofford, he navigated the ACC to survival. They will not be one of the conferences that gets ripped into oblivion. They are on solid footing.
     
  28. SBG

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    Yup, but without a strong demand for BB success, like at a UK or KU, then it'd be difficult to get a great coach if that first great coach hired post-Tad doesn't work out. There are a lot of teams that had short stints of success only to be brought back down to earth.
     
  29. rolandftw

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    I'd like to think that CU's athletic department would see that if a good product is put on the court.. students, alumni and fans will show a strong interest in supporting it. Not saying CU would go out and hire a $4-5 million a year type coach, but think they'd be in position to get a solid coach if Tad Boyle decided to leave.
     

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