If that didn't just make sense to anyone... Maybe this will help...
CU is this kid:
And big name coaches are Wendy Peffercorn:
That kid ended up marrying Wendy Peffercorn. Just sayin'.
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Bohn has a favorite in mind and it´s current College HC
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That kid ended up marrying Wendy Peffercorn. Just sayin'.
Hi.O
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These teams' records are not just a result of inferior opponents. That plays a role of course, but all 3 teams have competed against legitimate opponents this year.
San Jose State: 20-17 Loss vs Stanford ; 20-14 Win vs BYU (BYU is kind of down this year, but they've had many close games)
Louisiana Tech: 59-57 Loss vs Texas A&M
Utah State: 16-14 Loss vs Wisconsin; 6-3 Loss vs BYU
If anything, their records have taken a hit because they had to play each other. I think these teams can compete against anybody except for Oregon and Alabama. Even then, Louisiana Tech might even have the offense to hang with Oregon.
JWP303
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I frankly don't understand the logic that requires us to make a "splash hire." I am perfectly on board with hiring a little known Utah State head coach who knows how to develop talent.
I felt like Hawk was splashy - getting Bieniemy was splashy - I don't need any more splash. Just substance.
I felt like Hawk was splashy - getting Bieniemy was splashy - I don't need any more splash. Just substance.
^^^^This^^^^^
Fact always is hiring a a coach is risky. Look at how many coaches Bama went through after the Bear, look at how many schools with significantly more resources than we have have made hires that turned out bad.
When Hawk was hired lot's of people considered him a slam dunk, if we hadn't hired him another major conference school would have and maybe for more money.
At this point I want someone who can run a program, lead a coaching staff, and turn this thing in the right direction. I don't care if he has star power or name recognition. Frankly anyone who has that level of name recognition who would come here would be bringing a bunch of baggage with him.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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It isn't about a "splash" hire. It's about a competent, qualified hire.
Dan Hawkins had a terrific head coaching record. He was 40-11-1 at an NAIA school, and was 52-11 at Boise State. He had won 31 straight WAC games at one point. He also had ZERO BCS experience. He had no clue what he was getting himself into, on the field or on the recruiting trail. He was completely unprepared in that regard.
CU needs a coach who has BCS experience, and preferably BCS coordinator/coaching experience. Someone who knows how to coach against BCS competition and how to recruit against BCS competition. As a head coach, Gary Anderson has won ONE (1) game against a BCS opponent, and that was this year against Utah.
Now that doesn't mean that Gary Anderson cannot succeed at CU. He might go on to win 5 BCS titles at CU for all I know. But if he is the guy, he is making a significant step UP in competition.
B1Buff
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This program needs a complete overhaul at this point and, with our lack of QB talent at the moment, the offense needs a innovator. I would like to see Anderson at HC to fix the awful D and Bob Stitt at OC w/ full control to put some points on the board for a change. It can't get any worse, nowhere to go but up, and it could actually work given our current roster.
Dunken
Member
I dont think he does, was a very good DC at Utah. And walked into the head coaching job at Utah state and turned the program around in 4 yrs. But good point, I think CU needs to look really hard at any possible coach.
Walter White
Member
^^^Excellent!!!^^^ Outstanding!!!^^^
Substance has to mean experienced coordinators and assistants with experience recruiting the PAC-12 footprint. Otherwise you are repeating the Dan Hawkins experiment.
bigskysooner
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Utah St's coaching staff has been raided for the last couple years. He would also most likely bring Andy Ludwig with him (OC at SDSU).
I think that is the key difference. Hawk continued to build on what Dirk Koetter had built. This guy took a terriable program and built it to a 10 game winner (with his two losses by less then 5 points to BYU and Wisco)
Walter White
Member
This is a very good point; however, I still feel comfortable with Anderson. I especially like his DC experience at Utah with Meyer.
Walter White
Member
I don't put a lot of weight into recruiting the Pac12 footprint. Chip Kelly came from New Hampshire.
Eh, if you are winning you can recruit anywhere, and Oregon was winning before Kelly got there. I think that we are going to need some good recruiters on the staff to get that ball rolling. But I don't think that the head coach has to have some super splash to it. Get me a guy that can win 4 or 5 games next year, and it will look like a miracle to the recruits.
Not only that but Oregon has certain recruiting advantages (Nike) that CU doesn't have.
Chip Kelly's assistants absolutely know the PAC-12 footprint though.
So, I know you're a fan of Wilcox, but outside of him (since it appears that Bohn is going after current HCs), what realistic HC prospect are you thinking of that satisfies your recruiting & coaching criteria? I'm having a hard time picking any of the candidates that appear to be realistic that fit the criteria of a great coach and great recruiter. And if we're gonna "settle" then I'd rather settle for a coach that is a great coach over one that knows the P12 recruiting landscape.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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That's true, but he coached for 2 years at Oregon BEFORE he was named the head coach. So even though it wasn't a lengthy period of time, he did have an opportunity to create some recruiting connections in the west, before he became the head coach.
I don't think the head coach has to have direct recruiting ties. It is nice, but not a necessity. However, there needs to be some assistants on the next staff that have recruited the PAC-12 footprint and have experience recruiting to BCS schools. Otherwise you repeating a major mistake with Dan Hawkins and his staff's inability to recruit Texas.
Agree that every candidate has warts, and a lack of BCS experience is Anderson's biggest.I do strongly question his ability to recruit against BCS level competition.
However, I do think it's disingenuine to paint him has someone who hasn't coached against top competition. Someone posted his record against BCS schools as DC at Utah. At Utah State, he's played at least one BCS school per year, and has never lost by more than one score. Additionally, it's not exactly bottom of the barrel BCS teams that they've been playing, either:
2012:
Utah (OT win)
@ Wisconsin (2 pt loss, missed FG in last seconds)
2011:
@ Auburn (4 pt loss, Auburn scored TD with 30 seconds left after onside kick)
2010:
@ Oklahoma (7 pt loss, missed a field goal and a red zone turnover in the 4th quarter)
2009:
@ Texas A&M (8 pt loss)
Walter White
Member
I hear what you are saying, but I'm not so sure geographical expereince is so important. A guy can recruit or he can't; he's a salesman or he isn't. Guys like Mack Brown or LK at USC are wicked good recruiters and are goign to bring home the bacon no matter where they are coaching. I think it's more about your personal skill set vs. your knowlege and expereince in a certain geographical market. That said, I have no idea if Anderson can recruit. He doesn't have any track record as a BCS recruiter. So that's certainly a question mark.
Somewhat true.
What I'm getting at is that assistants are the first point of contact between the school and high school coaches. Many times, assistants have built relationships over several years at different schools. I think knowing the geography is essential in that regard.
Mack Brown and Lane Kiffin are great closers, but they are pretty unique as well, not to mention recruiting to Texas/USC is different that recruiting to CU.
I think De Reuter might meet that criteria though. I admit, however, that I am not 100% sold nor 100% against any of the candidates we are talking about and all of them could be a massive step up from our last HC.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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Again - I'm not saying he'd be a bad candidate. He might wind up being fantastic. I'm just saying I hope he's not the #1 candidate. If he is on the list, and Bohn has made contact and attempted communications with everyone on the list, and it winds up getting down to Anderson, I've got no problem with it whatsoever.
But there is a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE difference between playing ONE (1) BCS opponent per year and playing 9-10 per year.
I agree fully with you there, I'm just not sure how we know that ahead of time about Andersen or any of the other candidates and I don't know about discounting them because of possible staff deficiences. Yet :lol:
Without checking, very few of our candidates seem to have P12 ties, so it'll be a matter of coaching trees or working friendships they've developed over time. Does that overlap into P12 territory? I'd hope so.
No doubt. I just hope this is the type of stuff Bohn is talking about with the candidates.
Henderson reporting on twitter that the fat man isn't being considered