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BYU going independent, to the West Coast conference in other sports.

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  1. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Just don't see them having any better chance at a BCS bowl than via the MWC. I highly doubt they can put together a schedule that will be very good year in and year out which will hurt their credibility.

    Wonder if the MWC schools will boycott them from their future schedules...
     
  3. Bone Buff

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    Like everything else that happened this offseason, this was about the money. BYU felt it could to better on its own than the 1 Mil the MWC offered through the Mountain. the BCS berth was secondary.

    Boise St has to be pissed. Jumping the the MWC didn't really gain them anything.
     
  4. sackman

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    Had they stayed in the WAC, they'd be looking for a new home anyway.
     
  5. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    yeah I think boise made the right decision. It sucks for the MWC, but it isn't going to kill the conference. I still think its better than the CUSA and WAC even without BYU. Now if they lose TCU, and can't add a Texas school they could be in trouble.
     
  6. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    How BYU fills their football schedule is slightly more mysterious than identifying members of the West Coast Conference based on their initials.

    SDU
    SFU
    SCU
    SMU
    LMU
    PU
    PU II
    GU
     
  7. CsquaredCC

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    The MWC remains a good brand and the top non-bcs conference in the country as this point - although C-USA has gotten a bit closer. I don't think it should be overlooked that BYU decided to go the WCC route instead of trying to piece back together the WAC with additional schools. That says to me that the WAC is done and that is a positive development for the MWC as well. Basically you have two legetimate non-BCS conferences left over. C-USA and the MWC. Hopefully that increases the chances that these conferences work out a "play-in" championship game for an auto BCS bid in the coming years.

    This has a chance to work out well for the 10 remaining teams. With BYU gone the MTN Network contract is void and the confernence can hopefully negotiate a better t.v. deal that will bring more money than the programs were seeing even with BYU and Utah in the conference. Also - the $5Million dollar buyout that Nevada and Fresno faced is also a moot point - as those clauses could only be enforced if BYU had associated itself with the WAC. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
     
  8. DBT

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    Doesn't BYU claim they have something like 80,000,000 potential television viewers around the world? Maybe CU should go private and become a Muslim university? We could go independent and televise all our games on Al Jazeera! We'd make a frigging fortune! Move over Texas!
     
  9. sackman

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    I don't want to see our cheerleaders & dance team wearing burkas.
     
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    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    How is it that the MWC will be able to get a better TV deal without Utah and now BYU in the conference? Was their previous TV deal that antiquated? I think that MWC games are limited to being on Versus or the MTN, so I could certainly see where that would be limiting factor in their previous TV deal.
     
  11. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    That was exactly it. The deal with Comcast/CBS Sports for the MTN network was terribly antiquated and limited the games as you described (i.e. Versus and the MTN). My understanding is that the deal with Comcast was contigent upon both BYU and Utah being in the conference. With them out - I think we will see a new deal being negotiated by the MWC. With Boise and TCU still in the fold and Fresno, Nevada and Boise actually bringing in a net gain in television markets compared to the loss of the SLC market...I think there is a chance that some of the MWC teams could actually make more money. Hell it can't get any worse...I think the television deal with Comcast was netting the programs $1.2 Million per year. The MWC conference even without Utah and BYU should be able to negotiate a deal in and around $15 Million/year or $1.5 Million per team/per year I would think.
     
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    I heard Gary Barnett on the radio the other day. I just caught the tail end. He said that he believes there will eventually be four 16 team super conferences. That would fit right into a playoff system. It would also screw half the D1 teams in the country. Presumably the non profitable ones. I didn't hear him address it, but I also assume these "super" teams might bolt the NCAA. FWIW.
     
  14. sackman

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    I saw this on the horizon when there was first talk of expansion to 16 teams in the Pac. I still think it's going to happen, and I still think the four super conferences will bolt the NCAA.

    It does bring up an interesting scenario for the Pac, though. Who are the other 4 schools? Texas? I think they left such a greasy slime trail that the Pac presidents & AD's would rather chew off their own arms. I think what the Pac does is scalp the top four teams off of the MWC pile and call it good. Don't be surprised if one day, the Pac includes UNM, TCU, CSU and UNLV. If I were an admin at any of those schools, I'd be doing my level best to increase the academic standing of the school while simultaneously increasing the athletic profile of the school.

    Expansion is going to happen again. There's too much money and power at stake for it not to.
     
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    As for the other D-1 teams being screwed, I'm not so sure. BYU is going independent. Texas will probably go independent. Once the mass consolidation takes place, everybody who's not in one of the conferences will technically be independent. That opens up a lot of possibilities for scheduling. The kicker here will be for the teams in the super-conferences to set their OOC schedules. If they bolt the NCAA, they will have a hard time scheduling independent teams for their OOC games. In some ways, this is great, because it sets up some great inter-sectional games that are completely avoided now.
     
  16. Buffarino

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    I think this deal ends up screwing both the MWC as well as BYU. Ego is a powerful thing and BYU wasn't about to let Utah upstage them. So they had to do something, whether it made sense or not.

    The WAC move actually would not have been terrible. This is terrible and I do not see it ending well for BYU's football team. Sure, they'll probably make more money this way, but I think it hurts the team's chances of ever getting a BCS bid.
     
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    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I also think this is going to backfire on BYU. When Utah is busy playing Washington, Oregon, UCLA, and USC, BYU will be playing Weber, New Mexico State, Southern Utah and Idaho. It won't take long before even the Mormon kids decide they'd rather play at Utah.

    Utah has to be loving this. They just became the big dog in the state.
     
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    Sure it did. Would you rather be playing Idaho/SJSU or TCU/AFA every year?

     
  19. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    Yep, and that's what is killing BYU. They are no longer the premier football program in Utah and they are powerless to do anything about it.
     
  20. CUBUFF80

    CUBUFF80 No Stinkin' Title Club Member

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    I'll take a crack:
    SDU - San Diego
    SFU - San Francisco
    SCU - Santa Clara
    SMU - St. Mary's
    LMU - Loyola Marymount
    PU - Pacific
    PU II - Pitzer (?)
    GU - No idea
     
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    GU - Gonzaga
    PU II - Portland??? Edit: Just remembered its Pepperdine
     
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    Clearly a BB conference - just call me Captain Obvious
     
  23. CsquaredCC

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    Sackman - you have to be loving this. The MWC did not cave to BYU and their demands for a larger slice of the television revenue pie (aka Texas) and in the end the conference may benefit by being able to void out that horrible deal with the Comcast and CBS Sports for the MTN Channel and band together for a better deal.

    This actually may have an impact though on the coming PAC-10 deal. With BYU now unshackled from that contract and the limited reach of the MTN, the PAC may not be able to leverage the Salt Lake market as much as previously hoped. Especially if BYU is gets a deal worked out with ESPN for that rumored $5-10 million dollar payout. I would have to think the PAC is not thrilled about the BYU development - however not overly concerned.
     
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    So when you say they'll void out that deal, do you mean that The Molehill will just go away, or do you think they'll keep doing it and get more money for it?? I prefer the former because it would put Todd Christensen out of work... :smile2:
     
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    I think the Mountain has its place - but should be relegated to a "back-up" role much like the Big Ten Network is. Give ESPN or Fox or whoever the contractual "right of first refusal" in terms of broadcasting rights to say 50 games. Then sell the remaining 50 games as a package under the Mountain Network. That would solve the exposure issues and still allow for the broadcast of all conference games.
     
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    anything to put him out of work is fine by me(though he is sick right now, so I shouldnt joke, he is looking very skinny and not good)... he looks like his coat size is 3 sizes too big.
     
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    But the Pac could offset that by agreeing to schedule 3 or 4 games against BYU every year.
     
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    They certainly could, but would they be willing to? I would think the PAC wants to see BYU fall on its face worse than the MWC does.
     
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    But it would help the Pac leverage the SLC market better.
     
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    Check out C-USA's old television deal.

    • CBS College Sports: Six years, $45.8 million
    • ESPN: Six years, $22 million through 2010-11


    A deal similar to this would equate to roughly $1.12 Million per school/per year in a 10 team MWC- which is right in-line with the $1.2 Million the Comcast deal was bringing in per year/per school even with BYU and Utah in the fold. Basically that old deal breaks down so that ESPN gets the first right to any of the games it decides its wants to broadcast and CBS College Sports gets the second chance at those ESPN does not broadcast.

    The more I look at it the more I think the MWC has a real chance to expand its exposure and potential payouts to the remaining MWC schools with a new Television deal.
     
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