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Coaches Hot Seat Rankings

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by boydbuff, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. boydbuff

    boydbuff Club Member Club Member

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    I have been to this site in previous years-like when Halk was on it, but I just returned. Maybe someone has commented on this in one of our 1,000 threads about Embree, but I haven't seen it.

    http://www.coacheshotseat.com/

    I am surprised that Embree is not listed yet, because I think he is moving up the ranks of most likely to lose his job before the end of the season-if anyone has nads to do the right thing for the team, the school and the alumni, etc.

    It also made me wonder if any of those guys on the hot seat would be worth looking at too.
     
  2. boydbuff

    boydbuff Club Member Club Member

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    Just looked up Dooley's situation at Tennessee. I knew of him but not much. He seems pretty young and w/ lots of potential. He inherited a crappy situation (which he would here too) and plays in the hardest conference in football.

    He had Tennessee in the game for 3 quarters against the Gators before losing by 17. There are some concerning things too including conference record, etc. but he has big time HC experience now at a big-time school. Most "experts" think he has to win 8 to keep his job this year and he has a brutal schedule to get there.
     
  3. duaneallman8

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    I am a Dooley fan. Last year he dealt with crazy injuries...the year before he should have beaten LSU IN Death Valley if not for ridiculous Les Miles voodoo. And it's not like he inherited a Juggernaut, Tenn wasn't dominant but it wasn't what it used to be either. I think the Vols South Carolina game may be the key in whether or not he gets canned
     
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    If OSU is dumb enough to fire him, we should definitely go after Mike Riley.

    Nik has been making a good case for Tedford.

    Edsall did really good at UConn building that program up. I haven't followed his time at Maryland, but obviously nobody can win with those uniforms.
     
  5. Buffsoldier

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    Embree is 18th on the list.
     
  6. 77buff

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    He's going to get fired at the end of this season. He's not a proven winner, but has alot of potential.
     
  7. 77buff

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    18th, not after Fresno, his seat is now flaming hot.
     
  8. boydbuff

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    I stand corrected-I hadn't seen the expanded rankings when I started the thread.

    http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

    Some other interesting items on that
    a. Embree is moving up the hot seat rankings (duh!) and has now entered the red zone
    b. How in the heck is O'Brien on the hot seat already at PSU? With what he inherited he deserves a congressional medal of honour just for agreeing to stick it out.
    c. The salary list must include potential bonuses b/c Embree's salary is around $750k I think but it has him listed at $1.4m
    d. I had no idea Mack Brown was considered on the hot seat (maybe I am just not up to date living here in Argentina), but man that guy pulls in a huge salary
     
  9. CanadianDuck

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    Well after OS upset Wisconsin it bought Riley more time, but his buyout is way to much for OS to fire him in the first place.
     
  10. buffwings

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    Embers needs to quit, the school can secretly give him his buyout, to keep him happy and he can save face in order to go back to an assistant coach post. Win-win.
     
  11. CVilleBuff

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    Dooley is a good dude. Went to UVA and played there under George Welsh (who, btw, did the second greatest turnaround of a program in the doldrums behind Darth Snyder). Has a law degree. I'm pulling for him to succeed at Tennessee (even though their fans piss me off). However, Dooley is southern to the core. Don't see him coming West (or the Buffs making any go at him).
     
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  12. fcjack1

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    Embree bumped up to 14th. Still kinda low.
     
  13. BuffaloChuck

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    Yes, "14th" illustrates the administration level interest in football. "Not much."
     
  14. BuffClass90

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    He will move up as the year goes on.
     
  15. CUFan

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    This. If the administration cared we would see him higher on a list like this.
     
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    The fact that these guys list O'Brien means that they do as much research as Kizsla.

    Once the penalties were announced, O'Brien signed a 4 year extension so that he could start new after the scholarship reductions....

    so this article is basically an uninformed opinion.
     
  17. BuffaloChuck

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    It's true that State Penn's "O'Brien being protected" but they've also got 5-6 maybe 7 patsies lined up, year in and year out. They'll lose to one or two of those, but I doubt if we'll ever see them drop below 5 wins a season - maybe not even below .500. It's a shame they took JoePa's last ten years of wins away and left Sandusky's 3 decades of wins stand. That's what the NCAA should counter with as State Penn continues to whine about protecting child rapists.

    Texas' Mack Brown should have been on the Hot Seat from about Year 2, and certainly after their 2005 Nat'l Champ DVD came out where he and OC Davis talked about "we only started winning when we stopped interfering with Vince Young - once we let him go, we started to win."

    They reverted to more interference and haven't won big again.

    But the real reason he should be canned is that his players aren't doing well in the Pro's. In fact, he's lost so many top prospects to Baylor, Tech, Okla State, even U-Hou because finally competitor programs point out how many top recruits went there and how few succeed in the NFL compared to every other program.

    It's the reason he should be fired, and should have been, long ago. He's not delivering on his promises to recruits that he'll turn them into top NFL performers. This is what good programs do. Mack's Texas has never delivered its players as high as their HS ratings suggested.
     
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  18. Burrito Palazzo

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    Mack will never be fired as long as he wins the money game every year. In this respect they are NC.
     
  19. BuffaloChuck

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    Yes, bringing in $87-92mil profits for the last 8 years is a tad beyond fretting about a player's dumb-IQ as they 'go Pro'. There's a marketing dept in that school that's the real NC.
     
  20. J.R. Ewing

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    UT's problems have mostly been on offense since 2009. Greg Davis might be the 2nd worst OC in college football. Need more proof? Look at how Iowa's offense has fallen flat on its face since he took over.
     
  21. Walter White

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    Tedford is 80-49 over 10 years at Cal.

    I think CU should take that kind of record all day long and twice on Sunday.

    This is the target for CU. This is exactly where CU, realistically, should be if things are going well. Schools like this (Cal) get greedy and overestimate their realistic potential, which is a function of realistic (not hypothetical) level of overall committment to football from the admin and alumni.

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  22. BuffaloChuck

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    Cal does have a huge economic upside, though, as a major feeder school to Silicon Valley, offering an entertainment capacity to those folks that few regions have, and the dollars to do it. However, I suspect that when considering investments of hundreds of millions, and dreaming of returns thereon, "NCAA Football" just doesn't hack it. "Let's put everything into Facebook's IPO!!"

    At least they didn't hire OC Davis. ha ha...

    And OC Davis was bad from Year 1 at Texas (and probably in the earlier seasons at UNC). HORRIBLE. Always was, always will be. An absolute yoke around the neck of every good player under his auspices. I'll never consider Mack Brown "smart" because he supported Davis' idiocy for so long. A smart coach just doesn't do that. Lazy, yes. Smart, no.
     
  23. CVilleBuff

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    You guys are missing why Embree is barely on this list. LITERALLY NO ONE OUTSIDE OF COLORADO KNOWS HE EXISTS. This is what happens when you hire a career obscure TE coach and a staff of inexperienced bozos and clowns. Bobby Kennedy looks like a ****ing donut salesman.
     
  24. MINN-Buffalo

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    I agree ,but I'm in more favor of Tedford.
     
  25. Walter White

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    Texas has more wins in the last 11 years than any other BCS school save Oklahoma. Add that to a national championship, several BCS bowl wins, excellent end of year rankings, and another appearance in a national championship game, and I would call that success. Every single school has ebbs and flows, but no school, save OU has won more games during the Brown/Davis era than Texas. Texas has talent, but you can say the same for a dozen other schools who have done less with the same or more. Saban is the gold standard, and Meyer is right behind him. Mack is rock solid in the next level.
     
  26. BuffaloChuck

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    Except Brown & Co earned the NFL's disdain for producing quality players, and that's why their recruit levels have dropped since 2005 - because their pro's aren't that good, en masse. Brown's only solid success has been to have a program that brings in money, and does he ever-! $93 million profit two years ago - last year's is yet to be calculated because bowl rev's haven't been paid and split up. And then getting another $11 million a year with the ESPN TV network deal.

    That's the real championship for that program. But the lower and lower recruit levels have taken their toll, and it's going to be interesting to see if his new assistants can stem the loss, or flee the sinking ship. I see they each received a $300k bonus recently.
     
  27. Walter White

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    I don't think you could be more wrong. I'm not trying to insult you, but the facts support the EXACT opposite of what your are saying. Right now, Texas has more guys in the NFL than practically any other school. If they are not #1, then they are in the top 3. Vince Young was a total bust in the NFL, but that's just one guy, a high profile guy, granted, but for every vince there are loads of others doing very well, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Don't take my word, look it up.

    Recruiting dropping? Here are the Rivals rankings for Texas:
    2009 = #5
    2010 = #3
    2011 = #3
    2012 = #2

    Honestly, i don' tknow how you could be more misinformed. Texas had a couple of stinker years after 10+ years of incredible success. They made some changes and appear to be back on track.
     

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