Those four west coast schools and Nebraska fans.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Those four west coast schools and Nebraska fans.
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Great time to start as a Buff...I was 10 in 71...one of those years that apparently don't matter much.
Charlie Davis was dope.
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From what Mhver is saying, Apple still wants the PAC. As long as that's the case. They can eat the AAC and Sun Belt. The GOR from the MAC and the exit fees of the MWC. All they need is 12-16 teams.
The MWC high exit fees saves them for 2024 but 2025 could be the great exit and their are limited options in the west for expansion
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I'm wondering if, with it's great stature and even greater endowment, Stanford can start to explore a more sane future for college athletics. Admitedly, Stanford is a special case, having virtually owned the Director's Cup since it was created, but winning tons of national championships in Olympic sports, with a predominace in women's sports. These sports don't really need a conference. They all have national championship competitions with seeding mostly based on team ranking, or individual athletes qualifying by performance.
So, Stanford may be in a position to show us a future where football is effectivelyl disconnected from all other sports. Similar to what Notre Dame has done, but in this case not limited to just one conference (I think ND is hooked up with ACC for non-football sports.) This would give Stanford the freedom to schedule other schools in ways that best match the sport, and regional considerations. [E.g.: Cal has maybe the longest championship record of any college sport in its rugby team. They don't play a full schedule of Pac-12 teams. They schedule a lot of schools, and they always win the national championship.]
Most schools need football revenue more than, apparently, life itself. Stanford may be in a position to break the mold and define a new approach to maintaining regionality for almost all of its sports. (And don't get me started about the insanity of sending the women's lacrosse team across the county 12 times a year. Football may rule the revenues, but they don't play many games.)
So, Stanford may be in a position to show us a future where football is effectivelyl disconnected from all other sports. Similar to what Notre Dame has done, but in this case not limited to just one conference (I think ND is hooked up with ACC for non-football sports.) This would give Stanford the freedom to schedule other schools in ways that best match the sport, and regional considerations. [E.g.: Cal has maybe the longest championship record of any college sport in its rugby team. They don't play a full schedule of Pac-12 teams. They schedule a lot of schools, and they always win the national championship.]
Most schools need football revenue more than, apparently, life itself. Stanford may be in a position to break the mold and define a new approach to maintaining regionality for almost all of its sports. (And don't get me started about the insanity of sending the women's lacrosse team across the county 12 times a year. Football may rule the revenues, but they don't play many games.)
Turns out a guy who knew about managing TV deals for a monopoly wasn’t ready for prime time.
The biggest issue is outside of the MW,
The best Schools in the MT or PAC time zone are in the Big Sky. There are just not a lot of football options in the west coast. That said, you can grab the best of the Sun Belt brands and AAC. Go from there.
Sun Belt has GA State and Louisiana. Wildcard - App State and Marshall
AAC has a lot of Schools that make sense. Everyone but Charlotte, FAU, Wichita State University, Tulsa. Wildcard: East Carolina.
I have North Texas in but they don't have a ton of upside. Not sure they would get an invite. Temple is a bit of a travel concern as well but it's Philadelphia and they have a large alum base so they should be a lock.
In 2025, raid the MW. Every attractive school but I know if Stanford sticks, they don't want Boise.
At the end of the day, I don't know if any R2 can get it. It will be AAU or R1 with the upside of AAU. As far as I see. You got 8 fairly attractive AAC Schools and 2 fairly attractive Sun Belt schools.
For MW, only 6 fairly attractive schools and two are R2s and not favored by Cal and Stanford. Especially Stanford. It's literally UNLV, SDSU, Colorado State, Nevada. Wildcard is Hawaii.
Obviously Gonzaga for non football makes sense.
I don't believe the PAC is dead. It's just going to have to adjust. That's all. The WAC did this over the last couple of years. CUSA just did this last year, more will do it.
I do worry about the Mountain West in 2025. I don't believe they will be able to replace their losses. The American can always take from the CAA and CUSA. Still some decent brands like Delaware, Western Kentucky, Liberty(don't laugh), etc. The CUSA can just steal from the United (WAC). But the MW will have a hard time. So few schools on the west are ready for the jump to the G5. Maybe the Plains like the Dakotas but that's travel hell. While it's unlikely any conference will die in D1 sports, I've seen close calls like the WAC, a couple southern conferences that had to merge and the MEAC.
The best Schools in the MT or PAC time zone are in the Big Sky. There are just not a lot of football options in the west coast. That said, you can grab the best of the Sun Belt brands and AAC. Go from there.
Sun Belt has GA State and Louisiana. Wildcard - App State and Marshall
AAC has a lot of Schools that make sense. Everyone but Charlotte, FAU, Wichita State University, Tulsa. Wildcard: East Carolina.
I have North Texas in but they don't have a ton of upside. Not sure they would get an invite. Temple is a bit of a travel concern as well but it's Philadelphia and they have a large alum base so they should be a lock.
In 2025, raid the MW. Every attractive school but I know if Stanford sticks, they don't want Boise.
At the end of the day, I don't know if any R2 can get it. It will be AAU or R1 with the upside of AAU. As far as I see. You got 8 fairly attractive AAC Schools and 2 fairly attractive Sun Belt schools.
For MW, only 6 fairly attractive schools and two are R2s and not favored by Cal and Stanford. Especially Stanford. It's literally UNLV, SDSU, Colorado State, Nevada. Wildcard is Hawaii.
Obviously Gonzaga for non football makes sense.
I don't believe the PAC is dead. It's just going to have to adjust. That's all. The WAC did this over the last couple of years. CUSA just did this last year, more will do it.
I do worry about the Mountain West in 2025. I don't believe they will be able to replace their losses. The American can always take from the CAA and CUSA. Still some decent brands like Delaware, Western Kentucky, Liberty(don't laugh), etc. The CUSA can just steal from the United (WAC). But the MW will have a hard time. So few schools on the west are ready for the jump to the G5. Maybe the Plains like the Dakotas but that's travel hell. While it's unlikely any conference will die in D1 sports, I've seen close calls like the WAC, a couple southern conferences that had to merge and the MEAC.
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SMU and Tulane have to start that list. I may add Rice and Tulsa to get to 8, and then I need four MWC schools.
BuffBronco
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GK was telling the room 5 million Apple subscribers and $50 mill per school!
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Pac-12, Apple deal was $23M per school but hope remained to secure it: Sources
Oregon and Washington 'didn't want to have to do this,' a source said of the schools' exit after an underwhelming media rights deal.
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Nothing says tradition at CU like Men’s Lacrosse.
I'll say the top 4 has to be SMU, Tulane, Rice, and USF. Tulsa should get an invite but the top 4 schools in the AAC are obvious. All of them are part of the top 5 schools remaining in the G5 with SDSU which is part of the MWC in terms of brand quality overall. Obviously Rice football brand is on the low end for now but they can easily change. At the end of the day, they were much better when they were P5 in the Southwest conference.
Crazy outside the box schools were brought to my attention which was HBCUs. Mainly JSU and Southern. While I don't believe any of them can make the jump to P5 facilities or money wise but I will say, they can get subs like no other. Damn near a 1 mil subs or more. Add Southern to that. They can too. Those are national brands within the Black community (48 million popl). The issue is, both are only R2s, limited upside but they can sell massive subs and both have a national fanbase.
I have them on the low end with schools like UC Davis, Cal Poly, Sacramento State, and, Pepperdine(non football). Basically the reaches but maybe you could think about them.
8 schools in the AAC
Several wildcards
4 schools in the MTC
Several wildcats
2 schools in the Sun Belt
Two wildcards
MAC GORs making raiding impossible
CUSA has no fairly attractive brands
3 Big Sky wildcards
2 SWAC wildcards
Overall, the PAC needs to be patience.
GK has been for the last year, and telling all the teams that as well. They are now at 4.
It's spelled "idot," idot
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Could Mountain West and Pac-12 merge into a single, 16-team conference?
Sources say preliminary talks have started on a merger between San Diego State's current conference and the Pac-12, which is in tatters following the departure of 8 schools
www.sandiegouniontribune.com
They were being patience early which hurt but in reality, ESPN blew up the PAC spot and Fox didn't like dealing with the PAC so it was things out of GK hands.
I don't believe a merger is a good idea with the MW because so many MW teams lack value. It's better just to raid the the AAC and Sun Belt and then raid the MW for 2025. So yes, you can raid the MW this year for 2025 entry but there are only 4 brands that even make sense from P5 sports. Then again, I know why Oregon State AD was the former AD at Utah State. So it's a respect thing but in reality. You gotta do what you gotta do to keep the P4 together if the other P5s don't want none of you.
The reality is, if you are on Apple TV, you are selling subs. Teams have to either big money like SMU and Rice or big student popl like GA State, USF, and Temple plus be R1 or AAU to make Stanford and Cal happy and willing to make serious investments in research to become AAU status.
My guess is that WSU and OSU simply join the MWC, with aid from their respective state governments to level down the AD budgets over time.
Stanford and Cal can make the most money with the least long-term commitment by going independent. CU, Arizona and others have OOC games with new conference members that we need to replace, so there may be scheduling opportunities there. They can play other sports with the West Coast Conference.
Stanford and Cal can make the most money with the least long-term commitment by going independent. CU, Arizona and others have OOC games with new conference members that we need to replace, so there may be scheduling opportunities there. They can play other sports with the West Coast Conference.
yeah.. don't ask Liver about endowments.... he isn't very well endowed (from Hippie PhillyBuff's sister).
That would be a financial killer. It's not the last option, it's not an option. Since they still have A5 status, they have options.
How?
A5 status doesn't really mean much. The PAC-12 A5 status will be in tact through the 2023 season and then it will be automatically revoked when the 6 teams leave. Even if 6 AAC teams were to join with the 4 that are left, the PAC will lose A5 status due to a clause in the requirements that not enough teams have the perceived resources that the A5 requires. The way I read the "bylaws" is that a majority vote is required to revoke A5 status at any time. All that is needed is the B1G, SEC, and Big 12 to say... I am not letting the former AAC teams decide my rules, and its over.
I think all of this is moot anyway. There won't be an A5 anymore, there will be 3 and 1/2 conferences vying for the 12 team playoff money until Congress steps in.
College football as we know it is OVER after 2023.
They should really advertise what college football is by calling the system "BCS" again....
Bull
Caca
Sh!t
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This is interesting.... the remaining 4 teams may have a large payout if they stand still for a year. Man, this HAS to go to litigation- or at least a settlement. Lots of work for lawyers. I have to get my hat thrown into the ring!
Payout????
Payout????
This actually feels right to me.
