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CU/KU Take a Knee Philosophy

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Stampede, Nov 8, 2010.

  1. Stampede

    Stampede Member

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    I've worked up the clock calcs starting after KU scored to make it 45-24. The time on the clock was 11:05 and I'm snapping the ball with :01 left on the :40 second play clock. I've factored in :06 per CU punt and given the Jayhawks 2:00 to score each TD (being generous on many fronts). Here are the results:

    Colorado 2nd Drive - score 45-24
    1st Down: QB Kneel - Start Time 11:05
    2nd Down: QB Kneel - Start Time 10:26
    3rd Down: QB Kneel - Start Time 9:47
    4th Down: Punt - Start Time 9:08
    Punt Play Time :06 - End Time 9:02
    Kansas Drive
    Total Drive Time (2:00) - End Time 7:02
    Colorado 3rd Drive - score 45-31
    1st Down: QB Kneel - Start Time 7:02
    2nd Down: QB Kneel - Start Time 6:23
    3rd Down: QB Kneel - Start Time 5:44
    4th Down: Punt - Start Time 5:05
    Punt Play Time :06 - End Time 4:59
    Kansas Drive
    Total Drive Time (2:00) - End Time 2:59
    Colorado 4th Drive - score 45-38
    1st Down: QB Kneel - Start Time 2:59
    2nd Down: QB Kneel - Start Time 2:20
    3rd Down: QB Kneel - Start Time 1:41
    4th Down: Punt - Start Time 1:02
    Punt Play Time :06 - End Time 0:56
    Kansas Drive
    Kansas would have 0:56 to score to TIE the game at 45-45.
     
  2. BuffAlum2007

    BuffAlum2007 Well-Known Member

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    If I remember right Kansas had all 3 timeouts at the start of the fourth quarter...be sure to factor that in somewheres...
     
  3. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    This **** is why I love allbuffs. Just repped you man. Thank you for doing the work the rest of us were too lazy to do. Emailing Bohn this info now. :lol:
     
  4. Stampede

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    True point. Let's just say after they saw us taking a knee, they decided to save their timeouts for the final drive.
     
  5. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    That amount of time is easy to knock off if you just run simple running plays each time, and you might even get a first down with which to extend the clock.
     
  6. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    I think a little bit more than 40 seconds would run off with each play. The rule is that the 40 second clock begins when the play is whistled dead. So if CU snapped it, the QB took a step or two back, and then downed the ball, I think it would actually run 42 or 43 seconds per play.

    But your info / summary is very good! Thank you for posting it!
     
  7. chipwich

    chipwich Administrator Club Member Junta Member

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    ""If we had knelt on the ball at the end of the game, wouldn't that have been the end of the game? Yeah, it would have been. But Gandhi didn't take a knee, Martin Luther King didn't take a knee, Thomas Edison didn't take a knee, and I sure as hell am not going to take a knee."


    Dan Hawkins - 2003
     
  8. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    So basically if we had run the ball and stumbled upon a first down, unlikely I know they had us stopped running the ball all day, they wouldn't have had any time to even tie the game. I vote this the best game of Hawk's tenure at CU.
     
  9. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    Reported on AZ's website... apparently the AD ran the #'s and presented them to Hawk yesterday. :lol: Unfortunately, no word on Hawk's response. God that would have been awesome!
     
  10. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure his response was, "we were just out there playing football."
     
  11. JimmyBuff

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    you gotta take risks in life. .
     
  12. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    LOL..

    Mike Bohn: Uh.... Dan..... we've run some numbers here.... did you realize that if you just sat on the ball every single snap of the 4th quarter, it would be impossible for Kansas to catch up?

    Dan Hawkins: Oh, you know, we were just out there playing football, it was going back and forth. Thanks, Mike.
     
  13. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    I've heard people make this comment, you were the first I saw do the math. Rep.:thumbsup:

    By the way, are you free to coach next year?
     
  14. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Good point about the timeouts, so those would have to be factored in there somewhere, but overall it probably comes out in the wash because because chances are one of their scoring drives would've taken longer than 2 minutes, and just 1 first down by us means they likely don't even get that last drive with 56 seconds left to tie the game.

    The only thing not accounted for here is that onside kick recovery by KU so that would've eliminated our 2nd drive. Still a nice job of putting this together though.
     
  15. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget if we are kneeling it, KU likely doesn't score on a fumble return and didn't KU also score after an interception?
     
  16. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Yes, one of KU's scoring drives started with an interception.
     
  17. InTheBuff

    InTheBuff Club Member Club Member

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    this exact thread was just mentioned on '87.7 The Ticket' .... the Tony D and PW show

    they gave credit to 'Allbuffs.com'

    Sweet job guys
     
  18. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    no way? Crazy. I emailed it to Joel klatt and Cj, but I wonder how those guys found out about it?
     
  19. buffsyko

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    CU would have won this game if they would have kept running the ball when it was 45-31. CU had 2nd and 5, stewart just ran for 5 yds on first down. The next play, they run a deep reverse to clemons, fumble for a TD.

    CU lost any hope for a bowl and hawk's job with the 2 losses at home to baylor and tech.

    This loss was a fitting end to 5 years of puzzling playcalling and execution by Hawk and staff.
     
  20. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    wow
     
  21. dio

    dio Admin Club Member Junta Member

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    Yep, I heard it as well. Good job stampede
     
  22. Stampede

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    Happy to have my work mentioned on the radio, but even happier to know Bohn finally pulled the plug. WOOT!
     
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  23. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Some rep coming your way, Stampede.

    Nice work. Just shows that it was pretty much impossible to lose that game. I guess that's why a loss like that had only happened once in the history of college football.
     
  24. FlatironsBuff

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    Without that loss we were saddled with Hawk for the rest of the season. I love that loss.
     
  25. AlferdJasper

    AlferdJasper Well-Known Member

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    I have still been fundamentally unable to write anything about what I witnessed in Lawrence.
    It was that mind-boggling pathetic. Cruel and unusual punishment. Waterboarding would have been more fun. Might have made more sense.

    It was believing for the first half that CU had found itself, that the nightmare was ending, that the boys would be so proud of this day... even toying with the idea that maybe the coach had been telling the truth: he just needed a little more time to get the pieces in place...
    and then cruelly opening that big shiny box with the huge gold bow under the tree, and finding a ripped package of used underwear, many sizes too small.

    Okay, horrible crappy analogy, but it was this: believing you were witnessing something wonderful to the point of giddiness, and then finding out it was a hoax from top to bottom. There was no pony in the front yard, no unicorn, there was nothing you wanted. And Nothing was what we got.

    The letdown was immense and is not something from which I will recover any time soon. Fricken KU fans in the parking lot patting strangers on the back and saying "You okay? We're really sorry for your loss." No joke.

    I still do not have the words to describe what happened and how it affected the small group who were submitted to the carnage in person. If Bohn felt the heart of the program ripped out for these players the way I saw it, it was a key factor in why he couldn't wait another week, another month. It was that bad.
     

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