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dear neil...

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Liver, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    since we know you read all the boards, let me ask you to address a serious question in your column.

    you've repeatedly said that the firing, which even you have to admit, is completely inevitable at this point, shouldn't happen until the year is over.

    my question for you is why you think it shouldn't happen now?

    i am not talking about whether it will or won't, and clearly you've heard from the CUAD that it won't happen sooner than year end. but, why do you scoff at the notion that we'd be better off cutting out the cancer now?

    he's horrible; literally horrible. he's so unworthy of keeping his job; him and his assortment of minor leaguers. riddle? make a case for that clueless idiot to roam the sidelines for one more minute.

    these guys can't coach. pull the plug and begin the healing.
     
  2. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Well Liver, we cannot be making any hasty decisions right now.:lol:
     
  3. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I believe that Neill has addressed this question already.

    If I remember correctly, he feels:

    A. It's unfair to the seniors to fire the coach during the season since it sends the message you have given up on the year.
    B. Not having a coach in place actually harms recruiting more than having a lame duck coach in place.

    What I don't think I have seen is him or anyone else back up either of those assertions with real world examples that back up the point.
     
  4. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Give up on the year? D-II Danny gave up after he got off the bus in Columbia, MO. This year is done. Over. Each and every one of the coaches on this staff has had adequate time to make the case for his retention.

    liver is right, Hawkins is a cancer. A cancer that only grows worse with each and every week that passes. It's time to cut out that cancer right the hell now, before it spreads.
     
  5. wsp4820

    wsp4820 Sally Club Member Junta Member

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    At this point, both of these assume that when you fire the coach you will get worse. I don't think that's the case here, no matter what they do (i.e. announce next coach or just go with interim and do search later). I firmly believe that someone with the right attitude could salvage this season and get to a bowl game. D2D can't.
     
  6. jpbuff

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    If Neil thinks these seniors are playing for Hawkins he is more blind than I thought. The defense players are playing for the defense. Thats it. They are tired of the way the offense is playing and I won't even mention what the offense and defense think of the special teams.
     
  7. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    With Tyler Hansen done for the year I think there's little chance D2Dan gets fired while his son is the starting QB.
     
  8. 13Buff

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    After hoping TH is going to be ok, that was my second thought when I heard the news.
     
  9. jpbuff

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    Shouldn't matter if he is starting or riding the pine. Coach isn't getting it done, coach needs to go. Cody is a big boy and he understands the ramifications if your coach is not winning.
     
  10. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I agree. Whether Cody is starting or not is irrelevant. D2D sucks. Plain and simple. He's a horrible football coach who needs to be released. Immediately if not sooner.
     
  11. Section106

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    Where's Mike Bohn? His silence and non-action shows everyone that nobody really cares about winning. Nice attitude going into the pac12. Oh wait, there going to wait and shock everyone after the nebraska game to fire dan so as not to disrupt the great chemistry on the team. No balls.
     
  13. MrFrumpylane

    MrFrumpylane Well-Known Member

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    Looking at recent history, the silence game brought us good news at the end. Look at the conference expansion debacle with Baylor- they were spouting all over the place that they were going to go the PAC10 instead of us while our University stayed quiet. How'd that turn out? I'd give it a few more days and if Hawk is still employed by OU game time, then you've got a point.
     
  14. FChairbanks

    FChairbanks muthaka slayer Club Member

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    imho silence is golden in this case...short term at least.

    (and by short term, i mean until tuesday...)
     
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  15. CarolinaBuff

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    In response to what Neil said above:
    A: It's actually quite the opposite because we have a BETTER chance of finishing out the season on a positive without Hawk in charge.
    B. This is also the opposite, getting rid of Hawk now would improve recruiting because it would (finally) show the recruits that this university is serious about a winning football program.
     
  16. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I agree with you. That's why Neill needs to back up his opinions. He has made declarative statements that seem foundationless.
     
  17. SJBuff

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    The question is not whether it will be better getting rid of Hawk sooner rather than later, it's completely obvious that Hawk's immediate termination would start the healing process. Any healing, even if it's painful for the rest of this season, will be better than allowing Hawk to stay and continue damaging the program.

    Healing=good, damage=bad. Hawk gone=healing=good. It's simple.

    The real question is, can the AD afford to get rid of him earlier rather than later? It's all about the $$.

    At the very least, Hawk will be gone in 4 weeks and CU will pay $2 mil to do it. We also could choose to get rid of him Tuesday but consequence of that choice is that it will cost CU $3mil to make Hawk gone immediately(not sure if $ is correct but I think it is. if not, the point is that it will cost more to get rid of him now than 4 weeks from now). So, is 4 weeks of healing worth $1mil? Can we afford to throw away a mil to rid ourselves of Hawk now or do we really need that mil for the new HC and staff salaries that will need to be negotiated very soon? Do we tough it out, or pay for the relief now knowing we may not have all the $ we wish we had to land the next staff?

    In light of the budget crisis we've been hearing about, I think it's all about the $$. We can't afford to get rid of Hawk now, plain and simple. We need that $ for the future. I think the AD will decide that we are going to gut it out for the rest of the season and all Niel's, and anyone else's for that matter, arguments for keeping Hawk till the end of the season are just rationalizations to help justify the suffering we will have to endure for the next 4 weeks.
     
  18. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    There is no dollar difference unless we hire another coach to finish this season. Hawk's buyout is equal to what we pay him for the contract term.
     

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