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Dual Threat vs Pocket Passer

Discussion in 'University of Colorado Recruiting Archive' started by Undefeated, Dec 22, 2014.

  1. Undefeated

    Undefeated Banned BANNED

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    If you had your choice of the same caliber player for their skill set, dual threat QB vs traditional pocket passer, which would you choose for the Buffs?
     
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    Dual threat. We can use him more as a pocket passer, but can make real yards when a play breaks down...kinda like Anu.
     
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    At the college level it has shown time and time again that unless you have a truly elite Pocker Passer, that a Dual Threat is the way to go.
     
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    I'm in agreement with you guys. I really wish HCMM would go after more dual threat guys, even if they are slightly inferior passers than some of the other "pocket" guys. This offense is a system that doesn't need an elite passer to run effectively and having a kid who has some scramble and improv ability would create a whole new dimension.
     
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    A dual threat only works if he's actually a threat to throw the football and run a Pac 12 offense.
     
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    Hence the word dual
     
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    So you mean to say that a DT QB is only ok if the Dual Threat quarterback is a Dual Threat quarterback?

    Glad you clarified that one.
     
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    Was Bernard Jackson a dual threat QB?
     
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    Bernard Jackson was also a QB in a completely different era of college football.
     
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    Yes, he was a dual threat QB... At CSU pueblo before they were winning National Championships
     
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    My example is Travis Wilson from Utah. The dude is not a great passer by any means (and we saw that first hand in Boulder), but his running ability creates a pretty dangerous offense for the Utes.
     
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    I'm talking about our 2006 starter. He was a DT QB, but he sure as hell couldn't throw.
    Booker was much more valuable to that offense. Not to mention they were one of the worst in the Pac 12.
     
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    Kapernick is the model for a typical college DT QB. I would take him at CU right now and we would win a ton of games.

    Mariotta is obviously the DT QB everyone would love to have, but athletes like him don't come around very often.
     
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    Ya my bad, misread a number on his bio.
     
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    No worries, man. I know BJ isn't a great example and it's only one guy but there seems to be a lot of people who think that if we had a running QB the offense would be better. Maybe it would, but there's not guarantee.
     
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    BJax played WR at CSU Pueblo, so there's your dual threat. He threw ducks at CU and caught them at CSU-Pueblo.
     
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    Bernard Jackson was not a DT QB. He was a WR/ATH that Hawkins happened to put under center.

    And what are you referring to when saying "Not to mention they were one of the worst in the Pac 12"?
     
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    Obviously, Sefo's offers probably would have been a lot more, but imagine if Sefo could run/scramble/improvise/create like a Russell Wilson type
     
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    BJAX was in Rivals as a QB and played QB in college as as starter, he was as DTQB.

    Wilson was so pivotal to their success that he wasn't the full time starter and they didn't have a great offense.
     
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    A legitimate DT forces the defense to defend the entire field. The wider hash marks aids a DT much more than a pure pocket passer.
     
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    This is true, and I think Montez is a guy who can do that
     
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    Because he's had an injury history that continued this year... His 2014 stats were:
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    This Game172615865.46.0836110121.4
    Season190313217060.76.937818520134.7
    Not spectacular at all as a passer, but definitely reasonable as a Dual Threat QB. Did you see him against CSU on Saturday?
     
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    Even when he was healthy Kendall Thompson played a ton. Hell in their bowl game they still rotated QBs
     
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    Ok, my point still stands. A QB who can throw the ball AND run adds another dimension and is so much more conducive for success in the college game.
     
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    Dual threat QB that can operate in the pocket. Dual threat QB like Andrew Luck, John Elway, Mcnair and Steve Young. No thank you on Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel. I don't know if Marcus Mariota will be successful in the NFL. I have my doubts.
     
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    My whole point is if a QB can't make the defense respect him throwing it's not a big advantage. You're trying to make it a lot simpler than it really is
     
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    For college, I like an offense that relies more heavily on the running ability of the QB as the foundation. As the saying goes, "speed doesn't slump". For consistency of the program, it's much more likely that coaches will always be able to recruit QBs that can be plugged in and move the offense with their legs. Having a guy who can win games with his arm is much more prone to ups and downs. And, if there's injury to the starter, it's easier to plug in a running QB without losing as much.

    Ohio State is a great example of this. Urban knows his stuff. Force teams to load up to stop the run and any QB who can hit the broad side of the barn will be able to make a simple read and hit big passes down field.

    That said, I also think that you don't hit an ultimate upside in college football any more unless your offense is able to pass for big numbers these days. Defenses are too fast when playing the better teams to be one dimensional. Again, Ohio State is the model offense in my mind.
     
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    Tebow only won a NC and a Heisman in college
    Manziel only won a heisman in college
    Mariota only won a Pac-12 title and a heisman in college (so far)

    2 of the 3 were not/are not NFL QB's, they all won a ton of games in college.

    We aren't talking NFL. We are talking college.
     
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    If we're constructing an NFL team, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. When recruiting for a college program, I'll take Tebow or Manziel over a lot of guys. The most successful P12 teams other than all had DT QBs: Mariota, Soloman, Hundley. Alabama has Blake Simms. Ohio State had 3 DT QBs. Miss St has Prescott. Florida State had Winston. I know those are the cream of the crop, but the point is a valid one.

    There's also a reason why most of the successful NFL QBs don't come from the top college programs anymore. Different game.
     

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