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Embree what happened?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by absinthe, Nov 2, 2010.

  1. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    This used to be a name we talked abotu as a possible CU head coach. Recently though we've re-hashed EB and especially Mike Leach to death, there's been some scuttlebutt about Les miles quitting a 7-1 SEC team and taking a pay cut to come here. We've talked about Malzah and McElwain as well but Jon Embree really seems to have dropped off the radar. Is he no longer considered even viable? or just falling victim to flavor of the month rumors?
     
  2. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I believe his backers have accepted the fact that it's not going to happen unless he's brought in as the right hand man to a guy like Mac or Miles, put in a high profile staff position, and then looked at for the top spot in 5 years or so.

    Buff nation should have a lot of love for Jon Embree. His resume is simply too light to warrant serious consideration for the top spot at a program of CU's caliber. He needs coordinator or head coaching experience before we turn over the keys, imo.
     
  3. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    It is interesting that the Embree talk has cooled while the Bienemy talk has intensified.

    Embree has a good deal more experience than Bienemy. He has coached multiple positions, both on offense and defense, and has been a co-coordinator on offense at UCLA.

    One thing Embree lacks is Bienemy's fiery passion and attitude. That is perhaps his undoing.
     
  4. GoBuffs08

    GoBuffs08 Well-Known Member

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    I would like Embree over Bienemy for HC.

    Embree could come in tomorrow and have a long list of recruits to go talk with. I'm still mad that Bohn met Embree at DIA for the interview while giving D2D the keys to the city.
     
  5. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    I am tryign to find a good resume for Embree online but it doesn't look like there is a good one, or a wiki either, any chance we could compile/post one?
     
  6. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    I don't know the specific years, but he was a tight ends coach for Mac, then switched over and coached defensive ends for Neuheisel, then back to tight ends for Barnett (I think he coached wide receivers for Barnett too). Then he left CU and went to UCLA where he was the co-offensive coordinator for the passing game under Dorrell.

    After UCLA I think he went to the Kansas City chiefs, and now he is working for Mike Shanahan at Washington.
     
  7. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    I'm not fond of either EB or Embree as head coach at this time because neither one of them even has coordinator experience. If we're going to hire someone that hasn't been a head coach before, then they need to have at least a 2-3 years of experience as a coordinator at a major program or in the NFL.
     
  8. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Here is a complete bio for you guys. Honestly, he's my top choice as an unofficial "Head Coach in Waiting" if we hire Mac or Miles. I prefer him over guys like Gibbs, Bieniemy and Logan if we're keeping things in the family this time around. And if we were to take a risk on someone who doesn't have head coaching experience, I like Embree as much as anyone.

    Jon Embree Bio

    Personal:
    Born October 15, 1965 in Los Angeles, CA
    Graduated from Cherry Creek High School in Denver
    Completed CU Bachelor's Degree in Communications in 1988
    Married to the former Natalyn Grubb and has 3 children: Taylor (UCLA WR), Connor and Hannah
    Brother Sean is the Offensive Coordinator at Fairview High School in Boulder, CO (head coach is Tom McCartney, Bill's son)

    Player:
    1983-1986 Colorado Buffaloes (Lee Willard Award as freshman, All-Big 8 as sophomore, 2nd in receiving yards among all CU tight ends)
    1987-1988 Los Angeles Rams (6th round draft pick)
    1989 Seattle Seahawks (elbow injury ended playing career)

    Coach:
    1991 University of Colorado (volunteer coach)
    1992 Douglas County High School (Wide Receiver and Tight End Coach)
    1993-1994 University of Colorado (Tight End Coach)
    1995-1998 University of Colorado (Defensive End Coach)
    1999-2000 University of Colorado (Tight End Coach)
    2001-2002 University of Colorado (Wide Receiver and Kicker Coach)
    2003 UCLA (Assistant Head Coach / Wide Receiver Coach)
    2004-2005 UCLA (Assistant Head Coach / Passing Game Coordinator / Tight End Coach)
    2006-2008 Kansas City Chiefs (Tight End Coach)
    2010 Washington Redskins (Tight End Coach)

    Notable coaching highlights: 6 bowl wins in 10 seasons on the CU staff. Since he left, CU has had losing seasons in 5/7 years. In his final season at UCLA working as its Passing Game Coordinator, the Bruins finished 10-2 with the #7 offense in the country. Coached 2 Mackey Award winners in college and in the NFL he coached Tony Gonzalez to his only back-to-back 1,000 yard seasons.

    Notable players recruited to Colorado: Daniel Graham, Tyler Brayton, Andre Gurode, Victor Rogers, Cedric Cormier, Justin Bannon, Mark Fenton, Sean Tufts, Hannibal Navies, Donald Strickland, Damen Wheeler, Rashidi Barnes, and Ben Kelly.

    Notable players coached: Christian Fauria (All-Big 8), Matt Lepsis (All-Big 8 2nd team), Daniel Graham (2001 John Mackey Award Winner), Mercedes Lewis (2005 John Mackey Award Winner), Tony Gonzalez (Pro Bowl all 3 seasons under Embree with his best 3-year statistical stretch of his career despite entering his 30s), Chris Cooley (39 receptions through 8 games in 2010)

    Buffs4Life:
    Founder & Director
    The foundation was established in 2007 to help former CU athletes and their families deal with financial hardships in times of need. Buffs4 Life also supports the Denver Safe House, a women’s shelter in Colorado. During the Holiday season, Buffs4Life distributes toys and goods to women and their children at the shelter. Buffs4Life, a 501 (c) (3) organization also receives generous support from sponsors, including the Anthony H. Kruse Foundation.
     
  9. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    I also like Embree over EB as head coach in waiting.

    That said, I don't like the head coach in waiting thing. I'd rather get a permanent head coach, not a Snyder situation.
     
  10. buffaholic

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    Assistant Head Coach titles really don't mean much. Especially for a bad UCLA team that went nowhere.

    Remember, Helfrich was the "passing game" coordinator at ASU before he came here. How'd that work out for us?

    EB and Embree have been Life-long position coaches. I would be VERY careful that EB's new title this year has any real substance. Is he really involved with their offensive planning and strategies? Is he that type of coach even? His time at CU showed passion, but fell far short of CEO-like behavior nor did it show me that Barnett was relying on EB for much more than firing up the guys. That's great, but not a HC resume by a longshot.
     
  11. MiamiBuffs

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    :rofl2: Really? What caliber is that? From my view were down to a .22 or a bebe gun.

    Perhaps you meant this hire is too damn important to be trusted to someone with such a light resume.
     
  12. Buffalo Brad

    Buffalo Brad Club Member Club Member

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    Not sure with how Oregon seems to score at will you want to bash Helfrich too much. Maybe it is the head man who is the problem because Helfrich seems to be able to move the number 1 team in the country. Granted, he has more talent at UofO but it seems he has worked ok for them.
     
  13. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    Or maybe Chip Kelly is the one calling the plays / running the offense?
     
  14. Jerry

    Jerry Well-Known Member

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    Why hire Helfrich then?
     
  15. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Top 20 all-time football program entering the best sports conference in the nation next year with the current #1 team in football?

    Hawkins sucks, but CU doesn't. You need to get you program swagger back. A lot of people do.
     
  16. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    embree reminds me a lot of karl dorrell at ucla. dorrell was very well-liked by some key boosters and by tons and tons of former players and such. so, he was given the hc job, despite a relatively light resume. he also was considered to be a "cerebral" type of a coach--- all about the xs and os and not about the fiery stuff.

    obviously, it didn't work out for dorrell at ucla, and the fans and boosters really, really hated his "lack of passion" on the sidelines.

    now, that doesn't mean it for sure wouldn't work out for embree. if he is selected, i will be very excited for him and hope for the very best. i think he seems like a really good guy and, with the right staff, he might do well.

    but, if we can get more of a proven commodity at this time, shouldn't we do so? eb's coaching career has really ignited. meanwhile, embree, i believe, is taking the year off. even eb's resume at this point, IMHO, looks better than embree's. otherwise, i'd prefer Mac or the bama guy or les miles, etc.
     
  17. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Embree and Bienemy basically have the exact same job right now.

    Both are position coaches for NFL teams. Embree coaches tight ends. Bienemy coaches running backs.
     
  18. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    Eb is assistant head coach. He also has some coordinator duties. He also turned down being USC off coordinator. I'd say his star is currently burning a bit brighter than embree
     
  19. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    If you believe the rumor mill, yes. Personally, I have a hard time believing Bienemy turned down USC's offensive coordinator position, and the "assistant head coach" title is meaningless. Brian Cabral is Colorado's "assistant head coach." That doesn't mean he's any more prepared to be CU's next head coach than anybody else is.
     
  20. Buffalo Brad

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    Maybe. Helfrich was not the root of the ills at CU. More likely was he was fed up and wanted out. Sounds a little more plausible than a plain it is just Chip Kelly calling the UofO plays. Helfrich was much better than given credit for while at CU.
     
  21. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    uh, it is more than a rumor. the vikings upped his salary by a ton and gave him a bigger title and more responsibilities to stay and not to go to usc. so, yeah, he did, in fact, turn down the usc job.
     
  22. ThndringHerd

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    :lol: starting pistol.

    shooting blanks.
     
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    When did we join the SEC?
     
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    Funny how that works when you realize you have a diamond in the rough on your hands. I'd take EB over JE but its not my call. Both men need coordinator experience.
     
  25. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    SEC is not the best sports conference.
     
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    Neither is the Pac 10. Or the Big 12 for that matter. I suppose there is a semantic angle here you have yet to reveal.
     
  27. Darth Snow

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    You are one hundred percent right. the pac12 is. :nod:
     
  28. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Pac-10 is by far the best sports conference. Look at championships and AD cup standings. It's not even close.

    SEC's the best at football. Of course, that could very well get challenged by the Pac-12 with an increase in resources from a new tv deal.
     
  29. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    And when ut ou osu and atm join and make it the p16 then there will be no debate about the toughest conf.
     
  30. MiamiBuffs

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    I hope they don't call it that. It has the same gay ring to it as the Big 12.

    I do agree that it includes ALL of the cool states. :smile2:
     

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