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Football Concussions: Pop Warner faces class action suit

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  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    This could be the end of football as we know it in America.
     
  2. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    Oh Christ.
     
  3. TSchekler

    TSchekler Darth's Hero Club Member

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    A sport as popular as football isn't simply going to end. I could see some changes to the minimum age required to play full contact in little league, but the sport itself isn't going to die.
     
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  4. zbuff

    zbuff Club Member Club Member

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    Their 2013 declared revenue is $18m against $16m in expenses. Not much fruit to pick from that tree.
     
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  5. Alfred91

    Alfred91 Club Member Club Member

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    My older son never played football. My younger son might never play. I'm okay with that, for a variety of reasons, but one reason is that I had more concussions than I could count as a kid, and I don't want them subjected to that.

    Having said that, to sue a youth sports league over this is nonsense. Everyone knows football is a dangerous sport with a high risk of concussions. If you don't know that, or don't believe that, you're the one at fault for not doing your due diligence as a parent/guardian of your child.
     
  6. Dorn09

    Dorn09 Well-Known Member

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    Baseless, you sign a waiver before you can play. Little league football has not covered up the dangers of the game like the NFL did. This should be thrown out.
     
  7. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    It's the beginning of the end for FB. It probably won't be killed off. But you are already seeing it in action. The targeting rule for instance, sat three players down in the Minny/OSU game. It will change the game. It will likely end a lot of youth participation. It will send a lot of kids to other sports.

    Remember how popular trampolines were in the 70's? How many are there now? That is what will happen to FB.

    EDIT: Just wait until School District Risk Managers get involved.
     
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  8. TSchekler

    TSchekler Darth's Hero Club Member

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    This ain't trampolines, brother!
     
  9. AeroBuff99

    AeroBuff99 Club Member Club Member

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    My kid plays soccer and flag football. Soccer is by far the more dangerous of the two (due to collisions near the goal or going for the ball). He isn't sure he wants to play tackle yet, and I am not sure I would let him. I do not think pee wee football is useful for player development. Middle school is probably the best age to start teaching tackle football.
     
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  10. pcbuff

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    Disagree in part. The studies have shown that smaller kids don't have the forceful impacts. Those typically start at about age twelve. So, the best time to teach proper tackling and hitting is when they are small.
    Of course having a coach that teaches the right way and minimizes hits is also key, and in some towns impossible to find. This is what made me start coaching. When I saw some loser lining up kids and having them spear each other, I knew I needed to take control if my son wanted to go down that path.

    All of that said, I don't blame anyone got not starting their kid into football.

    Here, the majority of concussions I've seen are in the skate parks and terrain park in the winter.
     
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  11. zbuff

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    I thought it was supposed to be for fun. That's the only reason I played as a kid.
     
  12. zbuff

    zbuff Club Member Club Member

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    We just need to get the pre-cogs on it. You don't have to actually hit someone, it's enough to know you would have had it been allowed.
     
  13. Fight CU

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    my kid - 8th grade - now only has 1 full padded day of practice in a week (3 total) with only 30 mins of live contact on that 1 day. remainder of the practice time is thud - and no tackling to the ground. There are zero head-to-head drills that dont have an angle built in. This limits contact / concussion risk to about 2hrs per week including the game
     
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  14. pcbuff

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    Sounds like we're very similar. 90% is on dummies or half pads. Contact is earned by how they practice. By the time they get to hit they are super excited to get the chance. Then we are very careful about who matches up and we never allow space for full speed impacts.
     
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  15. Fight CU

    Fight CU Club Member Club Member

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    we adhere to the USA Football head's up philosophy and have started to work in rugby techniques. seems to help, or so far anyway
     
  16. BuffLuKe

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    Is that the Mike Golic deal?
     
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    We started this a couple years before the NFL did the heads up stuff, but now make every coach go through their certification at the start of each season. It sounds like your league and ours are reading the same books!
     
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    very similar yes. it can't be a team by team thing - it's got to be done at league level and strictly enforced. the certification is a start, but refs and team BOD's need to enforce with prejudice.
     
  20. BuffLuKe

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    It's a good thing, glad y'all are doing that. I'm all over my son about keeping his head up and seeing what he hits. He's tired of hearing me I think lol. Boo ****ing Hoo, it won't stop.
     
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  21. Fight CU

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    he WILL be forced out of the game earlier than he wants to if he continues to do that. have a kid on our team who just can't seem to correct the tendency to lower at the shoulder (and not the knees). he's had 2 concussions. 3 and he's done for good.
     
  22. BuffLuKe

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    Believe me, I know exactly what you mean. My son is playing his first year but knows a lot about football. Only problem is talking about it and playing are very different things. He's learning and playing well, I just annoy him with that.
     
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    As a former DB who used his helmet as an assassin, I worry every day about long term effects this will have on me. I suffered many shots to the head and was knocked cold by one. Unknown numbers of concussions. My boys did not play despite being dogged by the coaches. With that said:

    Football can survive this, but I actually see zero reason for Pop Warner to survive. I did not play but instead played soccer, basketball, flag football, baseball and hockey. At those ages it served me well. Real football can wait until 9th grade in my opinion.
     
  24. Fight CU

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    I can see middle school but HS I can't
     
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    Dammit America... ...
    How about how any repeated contact increases the risk of osteoporosis/Degenerative joint disease
    Or how in the non-contact sport soccer concussions are one of the primary injuries
    Or how jumping in basketball can cause low back problems
    Or how being in the sun in volley ball can cause skin cancer
    Or how working night shifts takes years off of a persons life due to unknown causes
    Or how working in a greasy kitchen causes "mechanical" acne
    Or repetitive typing or using screwdrivers can contribute to carpel tunnel
    Or how sitting doing nothing in a protected air conditioned environment safe from sun, dust, germs, or manual labor increases the risk of heart disease or allergies.

    Everything in this whole world is a two edged sword. And, at this point there is no reliable way to prevent concussions except don't play the game.

    Don't hate the player, don't hate the game, hate the person who sues the game.
     
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    I should have continued that my daughter has played soccer since first grade and is the one that has missed school for concussions and we are concerned about for the long-term effects of her athletic career.
     
  27. leftybuff

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    This explains so much....just kidding. I had more concussions than I can remember too. My boy plays baseball and basketball.
     
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    Youth Soccer just survived such a lawsuit.
     

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