Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by TEAMKISIMA, Nov 27, 2012.
TK, you are what keeps us faithful. At the end of the day, it's about the players. We don't go to games to watch coaches.
TK, when was the last time you were contacted?
To clarify, I always thought TK was a parent.
It's a tough time now for Buff nation, but I firmly believe better days are ahead. Look forward to Kisima being a part of that group to get things turned around. Hang in there.
This how we show our love for each other. Is this not normal?
We remain Buff-a-cized.
He's gonna love it, here.
Boulder, Colorado is amazing, nothing beats is, NOTHING.
CU has a great education
We will have an even better coach
A foundation has been put in place and the attitude change has been started.
There is nothing like being part of something from the start (which he can be if he comes), much more satisfying than riding past success.
The challenge is the same. The leader will be different.
Agree that the mudslinging has been rampant the last 48 hours, but cooler heads are already starting to prevail. Kisima will be a fine Buff, and a better young man after graduating from CU.
Team Kisima: The CU administration just gave notice to the football world that CU takes its football very seriously. That is a sea change from the attitude before. It is an emotional and sometimes ugly time, but change is rarely pretty. The CU football program is undergoing a transformation and will emerge, if a bit battered and bloody, into a bright future. Kisima will get a great coach at a great university that is finally ready to fully support him and his brothers on the gridiron.
Although a bit scary right now, in reality Kisima is lucky to be going through these circumstances. This is a great time to be a Buffalo.
We are all fighting for the same thing. We want this program to succeed so that great young men like Kisima can flourish. The University has now commited to winning and Kisima will be a big part.
TKO, I cannot imagine being in your position. I know things are up in the air at this point and it appears that there is a lot of confusion. It has been less than 48 hours since the announcement that Jon was relieved of his duties but this does not help out a kid who is in AZ waiting to hear from someone who cares. We care and cannot wait to have him onboard with the Buffs. He is one of the reasons that there is hope in the program and is a very special player. We are all still with you and all I can do is preach a bit of patience while they get a new coaching staff onboard. It will happen quickly and then the head coach will have to work on reassuring and selling the current players/recruits on his vision. We will be better in the future for the struggles we go thru today and TKO will be a part of that!
Yep it's been ugly. But I think these situations rarely go smoothly and there is always going to be some animosity, especially when more than half of the staff are alum. It was absolutely the right move and the community is going to realize that soon enough.
I actually take some of the events as a major positive. I really think for the first time, maybe ever, the administration is paying attention to football and is prepared to pay a competitive salary to a proven winner. The undercurrent is that facilities announcements may follow soon after.
We're not going anywhere.
What will come of this move will be an energized fan base and a decidedly stronger Buff Football program. The next coach will have the experience and the resources he needs to succeed in the Pac 12 and beyond. The sky is the limit in Boulder and although this has been a rough couple of days you have every reason to be excited about the direction of this program and your arrival in BOULDER. Go Buffs!!!
One thing I would add is that I have been a Buff fan since the comeback against KU by Gale W. and company and I have never heard of the AD talking about 2.5 mil to get the right coach. That seems like a change in support that is really needed to get the program back on track. Plus with the right coach this team has enough young talent to do some good things in the next couple of years.
Well, coaching changes are a fact of life, it is never pretty. This one is probably worse than most because Coach Embree is a Buff. Many of the former players and coaches are quite vocal because they are taking this personally, since Coach Embree was personally close to them. That is understandable.
CU has been a great school and a competitive football program for decades. CU has hit a rough patch that I believe it is pulling out of currently. For whatever reason, Coach Embree is now gone and the program is in a state of flux. I have seen this process four times, it is always rough.
At the end of the day, one would hope that the institution is the reason a student athlete picks a particular school. Sometimes however, when circumstances change, decisions are revisited, I think everyone understands that.
I was at the recruitng luncheon and saw some of Kisima's film, he looks very talented and has, by all accounts, done some hard work to be in a position to take advantage of an exciting opportunity. I hope to see him play for the Buffs, but I also, as I do with every young person, hope that he finds the place that helps him excel.
I would say hang in there and see about the new staff. Coaching changes happen to the majority of players in Division I football I would guess, maybe this just gets that hurdle out of the way in advance.
I think you need to look at the leadership from commits and current players like S. Dillon, P. Rich that say they are going to hold steady and keep bringing the Buffs back to respectability. Players and fans LIKED Embree. He is a genuine guy and has been involved with CU since he played here in the 80's. He has many friends and former players that back him. Unfortunately, the on-field results were terrible and not showing any improvement. The administration saw that 2 years into his tenure - he was essentially starting over (i.e. switching offensive systems and getting a new defensive coordinator) and thought that a new coaching staff would provide a boost in recruiting while also leading the young talent that we have on this team in the future.
-There is a solid nucleus of young talent that will have a good amount of playing experience to draw from for the next 2 or 3 years.
-There are a couple young QB's that are the future of the organization (Hirsch played tough when given chance, Dillon is RS fresh, hope we keep Sefo)
-Defense needs a coherent system, but DB's and DL are in good shape (especially if TK joins the team in a few weeks).
-Greyshirts McCartney, Thomas, and I believe Kough have all said they will stick with the Buffs and we would love for Kisima to join them
There is a bright future for this organization and Buff nation and the fans are entirely behind this team. When something shocking like this happens - EVERYONE wants to think that what they believe is the best way to go forward. Regardless of the future staff - Kisima WILL make an impact and should be a stand out player and we look forward to seeing him this spring!
The Colorado football program is bigger than any one person. Keep that in mind while you think things over.
The coach is going to change. That is a fact.
The things that will not change are the great campus.
The great education.
The tradition of the Colorado Football program.
The life experience of 4 years at the University of Colorado.
The admiration of all fans of the kids who choose to wear the black and gold.
The experience of running behind Ralphie.
The knowledge that a kid will spend 4 years in a safe community where people care about them.
Coaches come and go. They don't define a program nor do they define the experience a kid can have at any given school. If you think there is no chance that.... say, Nick Saban at Alabama could never leave, that is a fools errand. He could to decide to retire 4 months from now. Not saying that is likely, just saying that those possibilities always exist.
Commit to the school because that school is the right fit for the child. Never commit to a coach. There are so many reasons out there why a coaching change may happen.
Again, Colorado Football is bigger than any one person. What has transpired over the last day or so does not make nor break what any kid can get out of his time with the Colorado Football program nor the opportunity at a great education. That is, was and always will be defined by what the kid and his family put into the program.
This only happened because there are so many fans that care about CU Football. That is another point to never forget.
Right now all of us are in a holding pattern waiting to see what comes next. I do honestly believe that what does come next is going to be good for university and the players.
What I do know is that I, like many others here, want to see Kisima in a Buffs jersey as a part of our team. I truly believe that he is both an outstanding prospect as a player and also an outstading young man who will bring honor to himself and the university with his accomplishment both on the field and as importantly if not more off the field. He has worked extreemly hard to get this opportunity with the strong support of his family and the others who have been behind him and I want to see it come to fruition.
I couldn't speak for the new coach if I did know who he is but from a fans perspective I ask you to keep an open view of what is happening at CU and if it is right for you, which I strongly hope and believe it is, come and have one of the great experiences of a lifetime.
Honestly, my future and (if committed) current family member, just be patient, don't read 90% of this crap, breath through your nose and wait until they name the new guy. I would assume that would get done in the next 3-4 weeks. Also, enjoy your last year of childhood and look forward to 4-5 awesome years in Boulder. Stay strong and believe that the good Lord has this all planned out. Just stay the course, get a great education and let someone like me hire you for your real payout when you get done with football.
Boulder is still beautiful and a great place to live. The University is still the best in the world. Colorado is still the best state in the union. Hopefully you will be here when The University of Colorado has a great coach and staff to live up to all this greatness.
1. Buff nation is not dismantling. The dismantling happened throughout the 2012 season on the field. This is the healing.
2. The vocal outcry is coming from friends of Jon in the media and Jon himself. Most are aligned on the decision.
3. Kisma now has a chance to be coached up by presumably more experienced coaches who are not learning on the job. This is a win for every recruit we have.
Kisima will look great in black and gold! Can't wait to see him sacking Pac-12 QBs.
One thing I've seen is a young man that rises to any challenges that may blindside him. It's been impressive.
Regarding the in-fighting within Buff Nation, things are always emotionally charged after a poor season and a coaching change. Jon Embree along with assistants like Brian Cabral, Eric Bieniemy, Kanavis McGhee, Greg Brown and Steve Marshall have meant a lot to some of the greatest successes in CU football. We're hurting and people need a few days to vent.
On the other side, we are also challenging the CU leadership. They made a strong and difficult decision. They cannot leave it at that and simply hire a new coach. We demand more. We want excellence from CU in everything it endeavors to do -- and football is a very public and big part of that. So we're getting their commitments to increased funding, operational support and facilities projects. This was a fight for the future of CU football and it is still in progress. Both sides of the debate are united in that fight, we just had a difference of opinion on who the head coach should be for the start of this new future.
Beyond that, I wish I could say so much more that I'd like to say on topics like what Kisima's commitment means to this program and the tremendous opportunities at CU. But, unfortunately, I cannot go into those types of topics and neither can the other boosters on this board. Even though there is a commitment, the NCAA frowns upon direct contact with recruits until after actual enrollment has occurred. We have to be careful, because the last thing we'd want to do is harm the program when our intent was to be supportive of a young person who has impressed us in a number of ways.
I can't speak for everyone, but I have been around CU fans long enough to know that based on what we have seen from Kisima we will have his back no matter what he decides is the best course for his future. And we sincerely hope that he chooses to be one of the leaders who gets Buffs football back to where it belongs among the elite programs.
This is catharsis, not dismantling. Emotions will settle down and true Buff fans will get behind the new coach. A few players may leave or be cut, but that is to be expected.
What is exciting is the administration's renewed and public commitment to football. They see the results of investing in the basketball programs and have vowed to invest significantly in the program's facilities and the head coach. Rumor has it we'll be paying good money for a good coach, hopefully a former BCS assistant who recently turned around a poor program, like Sonny Dykes or Gary Anderson.
Good coaching will result in a minimum of 4 wins next year and I expect to be bowl eligible in 2-3 years. The program is on it's way back and hope you are a part of it.
Shoulder to shoulder we will FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Don't pick a school because of a 1 man. I had to pick mine because of a lack of options. K can play at alot of places. We'd love to have him, do what's best for him tho. We want to see him be the next All American at one of the top 25 schools in over 100 years of college football. Don't just get a degree, strive for more, we want you here.
This is a emotional and passionate transition. Everyone wanted John Embree to succeed in returning the CU Football to our glory days.
He did many many things right and has turned the team around, especially on the academic side.
We are going to be young and talented team. The next coach will be left with a lot more tools to succeed and you can be a big part of that.
The administration did not necessarily expect John Embree and staff to have a winning program in two years. But they did need to see improvement on the field, signs that the team was well coached, organized and going in the right direction. Unfortunately, that was not happening on the field and John Embree was let go. I am sure it was a tough decision, but it shows the administration is committed to a high standard.
Good luck with your decision. Boulder is beautiful, the school is excellent and, obviously, there are many passionate fans.
Things will have calmed down next week and we will start to see where this program is headed. I would at least wait to see who is coming in. There are a lot of recruits in your same situation around the country. It is an unsure time, but I assume you chose CU for more than just the coaches. Those other factors will stay the same. I would just be patient.
This will be resolved quickly. Hang in there.
This has got to be a very difficult time for the recruits and the players. The coaches they knew and associated with the program are gone, and there is nobody in their place to focus on. Right now it's all big, scary void. That will pass, and they can make judgements on the new staff. Until then, nothing to do but worry and wonder. I feel for them....
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