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Great insight from the Rivals board Re: CU Administration & CU Athletics

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buffnik, Oct 20, 2010.

  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    There is a very informative thread on the Rivals board that I was given permission from the Rivals BuffStampede administration to copy over here.

    So here's some premium content for everyone. Great read and insight into the situation at CU, imo. Well worth the time it will take to read this and digest it.

    BuffPredictor opened the thread with the declaration that "Hawkins just a symptom of a larger issue - Benson, the Regents".
    SDBuff followed with the following:
    This led to the big scoop from LongtimeBuff:
    In response, LeftHandBuff (who also has some inside info), wrote the following:
    And then this follow-up from LeftHandBuff:
    And, finally, this from LeftHandBuff:
    Thoughts?
     
  2. Darian3Hagan

    Darian3Hagan '89 Player of the Year Club Member

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    Im starting to believe more and more bringing back Mac is the safest call right now. We cant afford to give another 4 or 5 year contract to likes of Calhon. With Mac you know he would step down if he isnt getting the job done like that fraud/thief Hawkins.
     
  3. OKCBuff

    OKCBuff Well-Known Member

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    Fascinating read and it makes a lot of sense. It sounds like CU did what it had to to survive down the line. Almost line pruning a tree, we had to lop off the dead branches to allow the rest of it to grow.

    I think a decade from now we'll all like how everything turned out.
     
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  4. HotRack

    HotRack Rez BubbleHead Club Member

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    Well, I had something all ready to go but the site timed out on me. Too lazy to write it all again.
    Anyway, very enlightening, and definitely helps to see things from a different perspective as to what the upper echelon of administration had to deal with. Seen similar stuff/maneuvering like this happen all throughout my career.

    Looks like brighter days are ahead. Thanks for th epost 'Nik and working to get the permission to post it here. Rep coming.
     
  5. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    The proof will be in the pudding, if CU comes to the table with the promised support of the AD I'll full forgive this season.
     
  6. Sportsfan101

    Sportsfan101 Active Member

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    Nik, thanks for re-posting.

    If nothing else, this gives me a little more confidence in our leadership.
     
  7. Clean Undies

    Clean Undies Flagship of the 12-Pac Club Member

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    That Rivals content strikes a chord with me. Observing CU from my end of the telescope leads me to believe some tough choices were being made.

    I've not understood why CU football had to languish over the past 5 years, which is on the hands of DiStephano more than Bohn or Benson. Prior to the conference re-allignment, it appeared that CU hit rock bottom. Now it looks like the hole is really big, but atleast there is a positive path forward.

    I'm not sure how to evaluate Benson's performance. This rival's post is the first I've seen on message boards that so clearly declares a Benson victory in the 2009-2010 legislative season. It's too early for me to tell if the politics behind not pulling the trigger on a $3M buy-out last November was indeed a shrewd move, or an excuse. Is the CUAD self supporting, or isn't it?

    Have some of the state's chains really been lifted from CU? Is Keisau's contract evidence of that? Can anyone tie Richardson or Patterson to some new era of Academic-AD relations? Is Benson's legislative work tied to the Pac-12 move in any way? Does Bruce Benson really want to channel Gordon Gee? What other evidence do we have that shows Benson took some big risks in the short term in order to reap long term benefits?
     
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  8. antisaint

    antisaint I LIKE CAKE! Club Member

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    Great Post! Some very insightful information that offers a different perspective to the entire situation. I agree with absinthe. Moving forward, if the CU administration honors their commitment to the AD then it will be easier to forgive not just this year, but the Hawk era...
     
  9. jahbrahakala

    jahbrahakala New Member

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    Thanks for the insight. Glads to hear this has been going on behind the scenes.

    I wonder how and if props 60, 61, 100? Will trickle down to affecting the University on top of the perenniel TABOR affects. I know CU can never go private, but is sure seems like it's getting closer.

    Good to hear, but ongoing worries ahead.
     
  10. CaliBuff901

    CaliBuff901 Active Member

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    Great read, thanks for posting it. I'm looking forward to this plan coming to fruition
     
  11. CUFan

    CUFan Welcome back Club Member

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    +1 Positive news Nik and it gives me hope. I am still not sure why we have to wait six weeks, but whatever.
     
  12. BuffNut99

    BuffNut99 Club Member Club Member

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    In short, the future is brighter, as long as we don't miss big again on the new hire. That is why bringing back Mac in the short term makes sense, because it will provide an immediate boost where we need it, yet no one will have the illusion that it is the long term answer.
     
  13. DBT

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    Benson was just getting ripped apart on the message boards. Everyone knew his nixing the Hawkins firing was political but most seemed to think it was just a bunch of political BS and that Benson didn't give a crap about athletics. I work in a political environment. You cannot state enough about how important it is to avoid even the appearance of mismanagement. It looks like Benson was very astute in how he handled the situation. It was wise, if he was going to err, to err on the side of hurting the program for one more year as opposed to hurting the program for years to come.
     
  14. BinaryBuff

    BinaryBuff mmmm...beer Club Member

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    Good insight Buffnik, thanks for reposting. I'll admit I was one of the ones ripping Benson & DiStephano last year, as their decisions seemed entirely weak and shortsided. Proof will be in the pudding as to how much of this is true and if/how things change between the AD & the school for support. If things really do change, props to the administration for making it happen.
     
  15. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    Does that mean CU will be able to get a real indoor practice facility within five years? Would this truly help with expanding Folsom Field in the future?
     
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    Great read Nik. Thanks. Amazingly, we were fairly close on what happened through our speculation last year. Where we fell short (if true) is the long-term benefits we may realize. Instead of "just politics", it may have been "visionary politics".

    Thanks again. And apologies for repeating almost exactly what DBT already posted.
     
  17. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Seems to be pretty much in line with what most of us were saying all along. We were still bitter about it. Still are, actually. But our perspective is much different than theirs. We see things through the lens of what happens on Saturday afternoons in the Fall. They have to take a much wider view of the issue.
     
  18. 66BUFF

    66BUFF FTW Club Member

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    does anybody read his posts???? :smile2:
     
  19. PhillyBuff

    PhillyBuff Club Member Club Member

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    So we were all blaming Benson last year.... i am confused... whose fault is it now that we suck? is it still Hawks fault? :smile2:
     
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    Sometimes--outside of the football forum--I'll click on the "view post" option. Otherwise they're hidden.
     
  21. Jerry

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    Thanks Nik. Pretty in line with what we all heard and nice to read it confirmed by some well placed folks. It is coming to an end quickly and Hawk will be gone. He may not see it in his deliusional world but the axe is raised and his head is on the block.
     
  23. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    I want specific examples from passed bills. However, it would be nice if CU could begin the "cal" approach.
     
  24. MtnBuff

    MtnBuff Not allowed in Barzil 2 Club Member

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    This is what I thought was happening at the time. I still think that the politics is having an influence. Part of that is that I don't see Hawk being relieved of his duties before the election. Even this close to election day a $2 million dollar payout, even if it all comes from donors, would still become a political football (excuse the pun) with the current condition of the state budget. I am sure that Benson can easily see a reporter asking a candidate about the money and the candidate, not knowing anything about what he/she is saying spouting some crap about budget priorities then feeling like he/she has to stick with that after the election. Better just let it pass and do what has to be done in a more rational environment.
     
  25. buffs04

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    IMO it would be extremely irresponsible of CU's leadership to risk the health of the entire university on one year of the football team's success. If these remarks are true, then Benson made the right call. We all love sports, but the health of CU as an institution is much more important.
     
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    :lol::lol::lol::lol:





    Oh wait? You were serious.
     
  27. SD Buff

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    From June 2010 Message from the President

    2010 Legislative Session The Colorado General Assembly wrapped up about a month ago, and it was a successful one for CU, with the rather large caveat that state funding for higher education continues to head south. The Legislature could not provide us any more funding, and in fact cut our appropriation by $50 million (which was backfilled by stimulus funds; that temporary relief will go away next year). But the Legislature did help us by passing Senate Bill 3, the higher education flexibility bill, which Gov. Bill Ritter is expected to sign this week.
    The bill doesn't solve our funding woes, but it does give us the ability to be more efficient and effective in our operations. It also allows us to attract more international students, who will no longer count against statutory caps on our resident/non-resident student mix. Our Boulder campus, with 4 percent international students, ranks second to last among the prestigious Association of American Universities (of which we are a member). Enrolling more international students would not displace Coloradans. All qualified resident students would still be admitted. Casting a global net for students will broaden our reach as an international university and enhance the diversity of the campus experience.
    Another important facet of the flexibility legislation is allowing the university to operate under fiscal rules specific to higher education, rather than the one-size-fits-all approach of the state fiscal rules. The move will allow us to be more entrepreneurial, take better advantage of our buying power and untangle the red tape that often inhibits efficiency. However, it won't come at the expense of accountability. We will still have legislative and internal audits, federal grant compliance and oversight from our elected Board of Regents.
    Perhaps the most discussed aspect of flexibility legislation has been tuition flexibility. Higher education governing boards will have the ability to set tuition for their institutions (up to 9 percent; to exceed that, we need to submit a plan to the state). While some worry the move would lead to unchecked tuition increases, I don't see that happening. We understand our market, and we will not price ourselves out of it. Additionally, we have oversight from a Board of Regents elected by the people of the state, and the board is a substantial check and balance on the cost of a CU education.
    We had other pieces of legislation pass this session that will help the university. Noteworthy is Senate Bill 58, a loan forgiveness bill that will help us increase the number of nursing faculty, which is a key part of expanding our nursing work force.
    We appreciate the efforts of our elected officials to support higher education. While underfunding is a constant problem, our governor and legislators fully understand and support the role our colleges and universities, particularly research universities, play in Colorado's economic health and quality of life.


    https://www.cusys.edu/presnews/2010/06/
     
  28. buffalo30

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    I have a couple of things I can say. First, thanks to those who have provided the information above, Buffnik, SDBuff, LongtimeBuff and lefthandbuff. My background is that I am a CU graduate who was low man on the totem pole on Eddie Crowder's 1971 team. Eddie was very good to me back then and later in our lives when we were reconnected several years before he passed away. I have been in academics at medical and dental schools as well as P.A. and P.T. programs for over 30 years while teaching human gross anatomy to these students.
    Over the course of the past year I have sent several letters and emails to Mike Bohn, Bruce Benson and Philip DiStefano. While I certainly was not pleased with what happened last year, it is apparent that it likely had to happen that way for the long term health of the university, football program and athletics. I suspect that the administrators were not happy when they HAD to make the decision they did last year regarding the head coach position of the football team. I absolutely hate to see what is going on with the once proud Colorado football team. I believe that the administrators know full well that the football team needs to join the Pac 12 with a fresh start and they will see to it that it happens. The move to the Pac 12 is important to the university for both athletics and academics. The administrators did a fine job in getting this accomplished. While I am an old Big 8 guy, it came to be that the Big 12 was taken over by Texas and other members virtually had no voice in anything. The Big 8 wasn't coming back and the best move was the Pac 12 for both athletics and academics together.
    I can say that Mike Bohn and Bruce Benson have been very respectful and courteous in responding to my letters and emails. I always respected Mike Bohn and what he does for the Colorado athletic department. He always takes the time to reply. My respect for Bruce Benson has really gone up. I never expected him to personally reply to my inquiries, but the fact that he has taken the time to do so has impressed me. DiStefano on the other hand has never bothered to reply. I don't need to say what I think of him when I compare his total snub to the courteous personal replies from the president and athletic director.
    I can't go into any specifics, but I believe the extreme frustration, anxiety and misery will soon be over. I don't have this from any specific inside information, but I if I read things right, I believe the Colorado football program will be joining the Pac 12 with a fresh start. I think a reasonable move will be for Coach Mac to take over the program, bring in a staff and then turn the program over to the assistant who does the best to emerge as a head coach after a few years. Just a few more weeks and I think the misery ends. All along I have felt bad for the fellow Buffs who work have worked as hard as they can over the past 5 seasons.
     
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    This explains a lot! Maybe Alfred was let in on this whole deal a few weeks ago. I love the guy but he seriously called the dogs off over the past month or so. I bet when he got his "day" up there they sat down and talked about this exact thing.

    I hope this is true, and if so, we have the ship on a course that at least isn't in the complete wrong direction.
     
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    This is why I would love for Mac to come back and have EB on staff somewhere, maybe as Asst. HC or OC.
     

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