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YOU may be doing back flips. I'm taking a double dose of Metamusil.
He's a former CU cheerleader. You just had an MRI 'cause you can't walk.
It's got the makings of a good 70's crime-solving PI show, actually.
YOU may be doing back flips. I'm taking a double dose of Metamusil.
You keep accusing me of that. It just is flat out not true that I support anything he does. I'm trying to remain neutral.
Thats about what I'd expect coming from you. Fact is, you and all the Hawkins haters are fuled by over the top emotion. Hey, I love your passion. But emotional outbursts aren't productive. I don't have any particular feeling about Hawkins one way or the other except to hope that he turns things around. How many posts have we seen where people actually want him to fail. There are those who are so over wraught with emotion that they want him gone even if he goes 12-0.
I do not think that word means, what you think it means...
Thank you, Mr. Pot Calling the Kettle Black. :rolling_eyes: I humbly suggest you go read your own posts. :wow: BTW the term "hater" is also wrong. What we love though are wins. Hawkins' coaching ability has unfortunately been proven in Boulder, and he no longer belongs. I think when Bohn said we were close he meant close to getting a new coach, because the other connotation is beyond reason. And the fact that Hawkins screws up off the field too is not as big a deal, but neither is it amusing.
There has been no press regarding this. At least that I've seen.
Do graduating seniors still participate in football activities in the spring?
They do if they have eligibility left, as Sumler does. And since Sumler does intend to use that eligibility, just not at CU, thereby not living up to his end of the bargain, why in God's name is it vindictive of Hawkins to pull his scholly?
The argument that Pelini, Stoops et al will use this as a recruiting weapon is doubly suspect: "Hey stud, if you sign with us then down the road decide you want to bail out and go somewhere else we'll back you 100 percent!" I'm sure that's a big question mark in most kids' minds when deciding which school to play for...
Gee, umm, thanks, I guess. Is that supposed to be a complement? :smile2:Hawkins is the worse thing this program has seen since fairbanks. He's a BS artist with a giant ego who can't admit when he's wrong. He preaches about good character, family values and then dumps on his own players. I despise him and I don't care how many games they win next year, 5-6-7-8 , fire this ass clown now. He has done NOTHING to give the fans anything to be positive about.
DBT, HAWK SUCKS and basically, so do you.....:smile2:
Gee, umm, thanks, I guess. Is that supposed to be a complement? :smile2:
get a room
Sumler lived up to his end of the bargain for 4 years. 1 redshirt season, 3 years active. If you can show me where any other athlete has lost his schollie for the spring semester for not participating in spring ball, you have an argument. As far as I'm aware, once a player plays in the fall, their scholarship is set for the entire academic year.
If that is the case, Sumler has lived up to his end of the bargain for 4 years. CU has lived up to theirs for 3.5...
Not to mention this sets a terrible precedent for Hawkins. What happens next year when 5 players who all did things the right way and fulfilled your definition of 4 years of obligations quit the team? Do we keep them all on scholarship for the spring semester so they can finish school?
I think you're confusing being on the team for 4 seasons with living up to his end of the bargain for 4 years. Sumler was on the football team for 3.5 years (Summer of '06 to Winter of '09). I believe spring football/winter conditioning are every bit as important to the football team as the actual season.
Also, keep in mind that non-football players do not get football player benefits. Why should Demetrius get a free education for a semester?
Here's my analogy: I work in public accounting. We have our busy season which typically lasts between December and April/May. If I should leave my firm in May, should I expect to be paid through November after 1.5 years of work and 2 busy seasons? Nope.
CU football is still a business and won't get very far by giving out free semesters of schooling. Not to mention this sets a terrible precedent for Hawkins. What happens next year when 5 players who all did things the right way and fulfilled your definition of 4 years of obligations quit the team? Do we keep them all on scholarship for the spring semester so they can finish school?
This was the right move by CU.
Yeah. You do.
If you're going on the recruiting trail and pitching the fact that CU can give you a good education/experience and that is what is important, you don't pull a schollarship on a dude who gets good grades and decides to graduate early. You just don't do it. I've been one of the biggest Hawk supporters around, but I just don't get this.
Why stay around for spring conditioning and spring ball when you know you aren't going to be in the mix in the fall? Give him the scholarship that he earned and let him work on out his own conditioning/strength program while not getting any reps in spring ball before he leaves. That'll make him a lot less attractive to other schools, imo. It'll also give someone else the chance to learn how to pass-block because we are sure as hell going to need someone to fill that role next year.
If he would have quit at the end of the semester those valuables reps would have gone to him. Given what this coaching staff has shown by the on field improvement they need all the reps they can get with the RBs to teach them to pass block. I didn't want him to go, but I'm sure as hell glad he left when he did. Now the coaches will have to gameplan for what they have and not rely on him in passing situations....for a back that isn't there.
I guess he should have stayed and then really hurt the team....
Why stay around for spring conditioning and spring ball when you know you aren't going to be in the mix in the fall? Give him the scholarship that he earned and let him work on out his own conditioning/strength program while not getting any reps in spring ball before he leaves. That'll make him a lot less attractive to other schools, imo. It'll also give someone else the chance to learn how to pass-block because we are sure as hell going to need someone to fill that role next year.
If he would have quit at the end of the semester those valuables reps would have gone to him. Given what this coaching staff has shown by the on field improvement they need all the reps they can get with the RBs to teach them to pass block. I didn't want him to go, but I'm sure as hell glad he left when he did. Now the coaches will have to gameplan for what they have and not rely on him in passing situations....for a back that isn't there.
I guess he should have stayed and then really hurt the team....
It sends the message to be less than open with your coach.
That is a great team building concept.
If I was the coach, I think it would be hard for me to justify using a scholarship on a guy who had left the team with plans to play somewhere else next season.
Gee, umm, thanks, I guess. Is that supposed to be a complement? :smile2:
To add to whit's analogy: a guy goes into his boss' office and says he wants to quit to go to a competing firm, but he wants to continue getting his salary and benefits at the existing firm for six months until his new job opens up at the competitor...
I think NM does make good points about reps. Hadn't considered that.
But the future recruiting angle on this is more Hawk hate, pure and simple. There are plenty of reasons to hammer the guy - all of which have been enumerated endlessly and 98 percent of which I agree with - without making global warming, the economy and gay marriage his fault, too.
Spring ball is the prep for next season, the kid busted his ass for last season, earning the year's scholarship.
Sorry to disagree. Sumler plans to play football next season. For someone else.