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Huskers whining about Givens, Rippy & Mohler

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  1. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    http://www.omaha.com/article/20090829/SPORTS01/708299826

    More interesting is they point out that Simi Kuli, a top-rated Juco Defensive End, signed with Oregon State but never enrolled and is off the map.

    We were after him hard that year.

    We were also after Tevita Finau, another DE, this one from Phoenix College. He followed his coach to WVU. They are still doing their version of the Andre Simmons watch over there. He has now signed 3 LOIs with WVU, failing twice to get there. Now it's looking like he won't ever get there imo. Latest internet report is he will arrive this week and redshirt, well out of condition. Even the WVU faithful have quit following these silly reports. And you thought Andre Simmons saga went on forever!

    Both of these guys were highly ranked and may never play a down....
     
  2. stampy

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    To me the greatest loss was clearly Gabbert. It will be interesting to see where he compares vs. Lee this year.
     
  3. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    I think Givens will be a 1st team all big 12 in a couple years and a 1st or 2nd round draft choice.

    Oh and **** Nebraska, they took Tommie Frazier from us, so they can just shut their damn mouths!
     
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  4. LilBunky

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    Uh, no, Mac turned down Frazier and went instead with Coy instead. Remember Mac changed the whole offense to purposefully compete with the SEC teams!

    Talk about Helfrich's goofy tweak toward the spread, St. Mac comes off as more than a little "unusual" with that HUGE shift in attack.
     
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    Leash, you've gone above and beyond what's expected here with your decision to include a supporting argument like Tommie Frazier as to why we should say "**** Nebraska."

    My criteria is far less stringent, like Fusker admissions standards. It reads more like

    ****:
    1. Nebraska
    2. **** 'em
     
  6. Big Red Cop

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    Well, if that is what you consider "whining". Seemed like a pretty good article pointing out that NU will face a majority of the decommits due to them playing in the North. Failed to see in the article where it was exactly that the "whining" came into play. :rolleyes:
     
  7. stampy

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    In Barnett's book High Hopes, he seems to alude that Mac felt that change had been a mistake. Barnett said that Mac advised him to pick an offense and stick with it.
     
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    Eh, more media wirters trying to figure out something to put on paper to keep getting a paycheck. No biggie. How are the kiddos. BTW? Any new pictures to share?

    AWESOME!!!!!! Something else that I can lay at the his feet as 'Barnett's fault'!!:thumbsup:

    And Lilbunky-- it's Koy. When fuskers in prison are playing hard to get until lights out time, that is being 'coy'.:lol: CU QB who was skinnier than a 8th grade Prom date, that is Koy Detmer. Had a nice NFL career though. Over six years, so he gets a retirement I think.
     
  9. PrairieFire

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    It is my understanding that Mac didn't turn down TF but changed his mind and wanted him for a db instead of a qb. Hence Frazier going to NU. As far as the whining article about the departure of a couple of commits, it did not sound like whining to me. But to each his own. True I hated to see the departure of these guys (especiall Givens and Gabbert) but I don't dwell on stuff like that, h#ll I was more concerned about the coaching staff we were going to bring in than a few recruits going elsewhere.
     
  10. LilBunky

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    OH! You mean like GB did with Zac Robinson? Runs in the Mac "family" I guess.
     
  11. Unleash Hell

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    Ok, so we gave Frazier to the huskers, so they should be grateful and not whine. They also owe us for giving him to the skers.
     
  12. Unleash Hell

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    haha, I didn't even read the article until you posted that. You are correct, I was just assumign off what was posted here it was a big bitch fest. I still am glad the three of them had a change of heart though!:smile2:

    BTW, Givens said he would have stayed a husker had Cally not been fired.
     
  13. Mick Ronson

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    if you are Mac, and you watch the trend in the mid through late 80's in the Big 8 and see two juggernaut OU wishbone teams get strangled twice in a row by Miami in the Orange Bowl and score 10 points in your own W in the Orange Bowl (and 6 the year before) against a top flight D with as much talent as you could ask for....i think you could have some doubts about the future of a straight option attack at that time. nobody is beating people to the corner that often anymore.

    teams, like Miami, are starting to throw the ball all over the yard. a decade before, Miami is a cupcake and then comes the Jim Kelly and Bernie Kosars of the world.
     
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    Astute observation, Mick. Nobody can accuse Mac of thinking small.
     
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    Big 8 score totals Orange Bowls 88-94:

    88: Miami 20 OU 14
    89: Miami 23 NU 3
    90: ND 21 CU 6
    91: Colorado 10 ND 9
    92: Miami 22 NU 0
    93: FSU 27 NU 14
    94: FSU 18 NU 16

    Big 8 avg: 63 points in 7 games, 9 ppg. no surprise the conference is 1-6 over those years. avg. score, opponent 20 Big 8 9.

    looks like there's a trend where at the highest level, for the big prize, the option is not getting it done.
     
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  16. stampy

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    With the benefit of hindsight, noteably the utter destruction of Florida in the 96 Fiesta bowl by NU, I would say those victories listed may have had more to do with playing Florida teams in Florida than the death of the option, but it is easy to see how Mac could have reached that conclusion.
     
  17. LilBunky

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    Interesting! BUT, none of those games were routs, where the passing teams just totally outclassed the Big 8 team. Indeed, the worst loss was in the '90 CU/ND clash and ND was hardly a "basketball-on-grass" type of offense, so your premise on Mac's choice is weakened a bit.

    It is further weakened when you recognize what Frazier did for the traditional Husker attack when he got there; I seem to recall two MNCs, at least one with an undefeated season and which rather whupped up on those SE passing wizards.. Instead of offense, it seems defense made the difference, as was the case with the Big 8 losses you cite!

    I remember all the kudos Charlie McBride, former CU player and Fusker DC, got for recruiting smaller, yet faster players for LB. He had guys who should have been playing safety, lining up on the LOS.

    THAT's what really made the difference, so maybe Mac should have looked to his "D", rather than change offensive styles????
     
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    Urrrrh??

    I think 1989 and 1992 would like a word with you...
     
  19. Mick Ronson

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    sure, but all those Big 8 teams that lost in my example years above had great defenses as well (go look at the numbers for the 86 OU team). Holding Vinnie Testaverde, Michael Irvin, and co. to 20 points ain't sniffing glue. no disrespect, did you watch any of those games? i don't know how old you are. D or no D, scoring 9 points isn't going to win many games against top 5 opponents.

    guys playing safety lining up on the OS? mmmmaybe?

    i get your point about the NU championships of the 90's but that option was far different from the one you saw in the mid 80's in the Big 8. Frazier threw the ball well as did B. Berrenger. that's sort of Tommie's card: a legit duel threat. before that you've got Turner Gill and JC Watts as about the only real run/pass guys in the conference's stable of option QB's of the previous decade. Frost was capable. it was a far more versatile attack than the old Husker I-back to the corner or the dive play.
     
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  20. The Guest

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    This thread is dyslexic. Normally Allbuff threads start off with some substance and then become emotional and parochial. This one did just the opposite.

    Good thread.
     
  21. LilBunky

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    Same age as you and yes, I saw many of those games, though except for the Buffs, I did not stare at the tube until my eyes froze in place. We're not talking mid-80s, we're dicussing the '90s when Mac decided to change the "O" to a passing game, while knU hung with their traditonal attack, which was virtually the same as the one they had always run---remember Gdowski he could fling the ball pretty well!

    knU only upped this passing percentage when they got some better receivers to go with a more consistent passer such as TF. You're the stats guy, what was the run/pass ratio before TF, compared with after he arrived? I'll wager a sody pop it was a statistically insignificant difference.
     
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    The option was fun to watch, especially when it was run correctly. Hagan/Flannagin and Bieniemy was greaty as well as Frazier with the huskers. Fun football!!
     
  23. stampy

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    I remember at the time Mac converted a big question was whether that type of offense could succeed here because of the inclimate weather.

    Of course those nasty, slushy gamedays that used to be commonplace now seem to almost never occur. Perhaps OU owes their recent success to global warming.

    note to moderator: at this point, thread will need to be moved to politics board.
     
  24. Mick Ronson

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    in the SWC, they used to say you couldn't throw the ball in windy West Texas/Lubbock, too.
     
  25. Mick Ronson

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    yes, Mac made the switch after the 91-92 regular season (?)....and what came before (the option in the 80's and the Big 8) is relevant. what isn't available to Mac are the 94 and 95 NC's that NU wins. that's something he can't know. so, i think the 80's are relevant and certainly much more part of the argument (from Mac's view at the time) than the 8 unfinished years of the decade it's easy to foist on Mac with hindsight.

    my original point, and the point on the table, was *at the time* and given the available struggles of the conference heavies (OU, CU, NU) to produce in the Orange Bowl...you could see the reasoning behind the switch.

    given the talent Mac recruited and flat out stockpiled in the early 90's he knows he's got the horses to win....but, will scheme impede that? if OU, NU and CU can only avg 9 ppg in the title game/OB 5 years in a row...i think that merits some consideration. starts to look like a trend. i think that's the decision he makes. i'm not saying it's the right one or the wrong one.....that's just where he's at when Frazier comes on the scene as a Bugeater or would-be Buff.
     
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    I think it was just Spike Dykes who used to say that:smile:
     
  27. LilBunky

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    So would my 4th grade arithmetic teacher if she saw that!! Thank God she has more sense than to spend time here!
     
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    I never understood why Rippy and Mohler, as defensive guys, decomitted. Granted, going from NU's linebacker corps to CU's is probably a step up, but as soon as Cally and Co. were let go, it was pretty obvious that Bo was going to be the next coach. What defensive player wouldn't want to play for a coach like that? Maybe Cally filled their heads full of NFL dreams like he did with most of his recruits...
     
  29. buffaholic

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    That and they didn't have a relationship with the guy like they did with Callahan's stellar Defensive Minds...
     

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