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Important Reading for the Logan Fans

Talent is talent. The best talent in Texas isn't any better than the best talent in Colorado. There's just a boatload more of it. Talent is speed, size, strength. So while in Texas, they may have 200 guys who would start at Mullen, and at Mullen they only have 20 guys, there isn't much of a difference in the actual talent. I'll never argue that there's as much talent in Colorado as Texas, California, Florida, etc. That's crazy. Mullen wouldn't get mudholed by anybody. They might lose, and that gets back to coaching (I don't actually think Logan is that great), but the wouldn't get destroyed, either. Their roster is filled with D-1 prospects, just like all those Texas schools.
 
sackman said:
Talent is talent. The best talent in Texas isn't any better than the best talent in Colorado. There's just a boatload more of it. Talent is speed, size, strength. So while in Texas, they may have 200 guys who would start at Mullen, and at Mullen they only have 20 guys, there isn't much of a difference in the actual talent. I'll never argue that there's as much talent in Colorado as Texas, California, Florida, etc. That's crazy. Mullen wouldn't get mudholed by anybody. They might lose, and that gets back to coaching (I don't actually think Logan is that great), but the wouldn't get destroyed, either. Their roster is filled with D-1 prospects, just like all those Texas schools.
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Go compare the top players at different positions in Colorado versus the bigger states. You will come away singing a different tune. Talent is talent, but there are several guys in Texas each year that have elite talent, it's pretty rare in Colorado to even have one guy on the same level.
 
JimmyBuff said:
Is this a joke? Any rational CU football fan that doesn't have his di*k up Logan's ass knows that Dave Logan is about as qualified to be CU's football coach as Lady Gaga is. Who's going to be our OC, Mark Kiszla? Maybe we'll get CU alum Rick Reilly to run the defense. ****ing joke that people continue to speculate that this guy should be a candidate for the CU job. Beyond offensive. He's a ****ing high school coach idiots. Damn this **** angers the hell out of me. ****ing morons like Woody Paige just throw out his name out there like its ****ing royalty. **** you Woody, **** you media, and **** you to the ones that support Logan for head coach. This **** angers me more than Dan Talkins. And that's saying something.
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Ah, Jimmy. I've missed the old Jimmy. There he is!!
 
sackman said:
Talent is talent. The best talent in Texas isn't any better than the best talent in Colorado. There's just a boatload more of it. Talent is speed, size, strength. So while in Texas, they may have 200 guys who would start at Mullen, and at Mullen they only have 20 guys, there isn't much of a difference in the actual talent. I'll never argue that there's as much talent in Colorado as Texas, California, Florida, etc. That's crazy. Mullen wouldn't get mudholed by anybody. They might lose, and that gets back to coaching (I don't actually think Logan is that great), but the wouldn't get destroyed, either. Their roster is filled with D-1 prospects, just like all those Texas schools.
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Dude it's just mho but, if they played Euless, they would get destroyed. Those guys beat a good Arkansas program 80-26. They are big, fast, and have athletes everywhere. Mullen is a very good program and yes they have talent. Only problem is, they have no where near the depth some of these top ten programs have. Plus that elite talent Boulder pointed out is very real.
 
Sack, I was with you on Mullen until you started throwing out this gem. It is just plain wrong.

Let's take a poll of current NFL players that have hailed from the state of CO lately. Lendale White.... crickets?

Now let's start ticking off some of the stars from TX (Brees, LT, VY, Ricky Williams, Roy Williams, Benson, Crabtree, Kolb, Orakpo, Stafford). It will show an embarrassment of riches. Same is true for CA, FL or OH.

Quite frankly, even most of CU's biggest legends didn't hail from CO either. This is partly our problem right now. We need a coach who can import talent.

sackman said:
Talent is talent. The best talent in Texas isn't any better than the best talent in Colorado. There's just a boatload more of it. Talent is speed, size, strength. So while in Texas, they may have 200 guys who would start at Mullen, and at Mullen they only have 20 guys, there isn't much of a difference in the actual talent. I'll never argue that there's as much talent in Colorado as Texas, California, Florida, etc. That's crazy. Mullen wouldn't get mudholed by anybody. They might lose, and that gets back to coaching (I don't actually think Logan is that great), but the wouldn't get destroyed, either. Their roster is filled with D-1 prospects, just like all those Texas schools.
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I've seen, up close and personal, Mullen's players. Their O-Line averages 6'5" 285. They're monsterous. Their WRs are fast and run great routes. Their DB's are lock down guys. Each and every one of their linebackers is a 3* or better prospect this year. Literally every single player that starts for them is a D-1 prospect. I'm not going to argue that the talent in Texas isn't deeper. It is. There's no doubt about it. It's a lot deeper. There's only one Mullen in Colorado. There are 20 Mullens in Texas. Still, the Mullen we have could compete, I believe, with anybody in the country.
 
sackman said:
I've seen, up close and personal, Mullen's players. Their O-Line averages 6'5" 285. They're monsterous. Their WRs are fast and run great routes. Their DB's are lock down guys. Each and every one of their linebackers is a 3* or better prospect this year. Literally every single player that starts for them is a D-1 prospect. I'm not going to argue that the talent in Texas isn't deeper. It is. There's no doubt about it. It's a lot deeper. There's only one Mullen in Colorado. There are 20 Mullens in Texas. Still, the Mullen we have could compete, I believe, with anybody in the country.
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You're exaggerating here. 2011 is a good class for Mullen and only a handful of their prospects are legit D-1 prospects. Also, their LBs are really good, but Healy is still a 2* prospect.

Texas talent is just better overall because of the support system in place. The 7-on-7 play during the summer and other elements make Texas players better than Colorado counterparts. Again, compare the top players in Texas each versus the top players in Colorado each year. You will be blown away.
 
sackman said:
I've seen, up close and personal, Mullen's players. Their O-Line averages 6'5" 285. They're monsterous. Their WRs are fast and run great routes. Their DB's are lock down guys. Each and every one of their linebackers is a 3* or better prospect this year. Literally every single player that starts for them is a D-1 prospect. I'm not going to argue that the talent in Texas isn't deeper. It is. There's no doubt about it. It's a lot deeper. There's only one Mullen in Colorado. There are 20 Mullens in Texas. Still, the Mullen we have could compete, I believe, with anybody in the country.
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man, you are delusional. it isn't the same. while high school football has improved exponentionally in the last 25 years, it is still nowhere near the level of texas or california. and, it isn't just quantity of elite athletes... the coaching is better, at all levels, across the board. the competition is better, at all levels, across the board. and, the top end players are better, at all levels, across the board. the culture to support success is better, at all levels, across the board.

the best programs in texas and california routinely produce nfl stars. hell, look at all the major college football qbs who played hs ball in texas. this is not just due to population. it is due to TRAINING, CULTURE, TALENT, and COMPETITION.

your provincialism is gnawing on your cerebral cortex and it is impacting your analytical skills.
 
sackman said:
I've seen, up close and personal, Mullen's players. Their O-Line averages 6'5" 285. They're monsterous. Their WRs are fast and run great routes. Their DB's are lock down guys. Each and every one of their linebackers is a 3* or better prospect this year. Literally every single player that starts for them is a D-1 prospect. I'm not going to argue that the talent in Texas isn't deeper. It is. There's no doubt about it. It's a lot deeper. There's only one Mullen in Colorado. There are 20 Mullens in Texas. Still, the Mullen we have could compete, I believe, with anybody in the country.
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sack,

I don't know how to say this except to just say that you're wrong.

On the OL, Michael Mancinelli is the only senior that is getting a sniff from colleges and he's not as big as your average. He doesn't rate a single star and it doesn't look like he is going D1. None of its juniors are even being looked at.

Earlier I mentioned Don Bosco as a program that would blow Mullen out. This year they traveled to Cleveland to play St. Ignatius HS. Ignatius has a ton of state championships and have been rated national champions 3 times. Don Bosco beat them 33-6.

Last year, Don Bosco traveled to De La Salle and beat them 30-6. De La Salle was a national top 10 before the loss (finished 13-2 as state champions). This year, De La Salle is USA Today's #5 this week.

Mullen is a very good football program. They probably have their most talented team ever this year. But they couldn't hold up in the trenches against a college team and they don't have the overall talent of a lot of programs around the country. Mullen is probably on a level with Las Vegas's Bishop Gorman, although Gorman would be favored at a neutral site game. I wish they would start playing each other. Be great for both programs.
 
Liver said:
man, you are delusional. it isn't the same. while high school football has improved exponentionally in the last 25 years, it is still nowhere near the level of texas or california. and, it isn't just quantity of elite athletes... the coaching is better, at all levels, across the board. the competition is better, at all levels, across the board. and, the top end players are better, at all levels, across the board. the culture to support success is better, at all levels, across the board.

the best programs in texas and california routinely produce nfl stars. hell, look at all the major college football qbs who played hs ball in texas. this is not just due to population. it is due to TRAINING, CULTURE, TALENT, and COMPETITION.

your provincialism is gnawing on your cerebral cortex and it is impacting your analytical skills.
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You make a good point about the coaching and all that stuff. Football is year round down there. I think it's even more so now than when I lived there. I did 2 years of 7 on 7 and that was pretty much when it began. It is amazing how much that has grown. The qb's now just know so much more about presnap reads, audibles, hots, etc.. Alot of programs in Texas, Cali, Florida, Ohio, and some others, get college level coaching at the high school level. Mullen is very good, they dont matchup though. They could compete but they wouldnt win consistently like they do in Colorado. Stick them in 4A in Texas and they might do some damage.
 
BuffLuKe said:
You make a good point about the coaching and all that stuff. Football is year round down there. I think it's even more so now than when I lived there. I did 2 years of 7 on 7 and that was pretty much when it began. It is amazing how much that has grown. The qb's now just know so much more about presnap reads, audibles, hots, etc.. Alot of programs in Texas, Cali, Florida, Ohio, and some others, get college level coaching at the high school level. Mullen is very good, they dont matchup though. They could compete but they wouldnt win consistently like they do in Colorado. Stick them in 4A in Texas and they might do some damage.
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Lake Travis (TX 4A) would mudhole Mullen.
 
BuffLuKe said:
I know that, I didnt say they would win state lol. I know who Travis is. Believe UT's qb went there didnt he?
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Yup. So did Reesing and Brees. Not complete sure, but I think that's where Chase Daniel also went to HS.
 
BuffLuKe said:
I think Chase Daniel went to Southlake Carrol but I could be wrong about that.
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Ahhh, you may be right. If so, guess in a Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon sort of way, you could say Daniel's success was responsible for Dodge's firing at UNT...as it was responsible for Dodge being hired there in the first place.
 
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