Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Idot Buff, Feb 7, 2016.
Interesting read. Uncomfortable topic, but worthy of discussion, no doubt.
Iraq War suffered much less than Nam vets, who suffered less than WWII vets, due to improved medical care. Swift advances in medicine and medical technology allow for better repair of wounds and injuries than occurred in the past. Same thing with football.
What's needed is rule enforcement changes and changes in coaching techniques to cut out the brutality of play. When I played, using your helmet as a weapon or force for tackling or blocking was forbidden and subject to penalty. Only recently has that changed. Now, get the late-hit artists out of the game and teach tackling with the shoulders instead. Some college programs are experimenting practicing in full pads but without helmets, to encourage correct technique and avoid the usual helmet-to-helmet contact inherent in every day practice. Old school six-day-a-week head banging is not necessary for good football.
On the other hand, joints are not made for continued contact by force, but that happens in every contact sport. To avoid that, don't play any contact sport. Football is not special in that regard.
My kids will not play the game. Fortunately he doesn't have the size either. He is athletic and fast and loves basketball and soccer for now and has quick feet and a nice shot. If he finds the game in High School it will be his decision.
The surgeon that did my knee told me it was a flawed joint by design. Not constructed to carry the weight, or take the abuse of running. My son plays and the coaches are very good about safety and proper tackling. In fact I have never seen a kid get any type of known concussion from a hit. With youngsters its almost always heads hitting the ground that cause a concussion. On the other hand the most concussed youth athletes in america and its not even close are youth soccer players. More parents need to be made aware of that but there is no mention for some reason which I find odd.
CDC reports show that the amount of reported concussions has doubled in the last 10 years. The American Academy of Pediatrics has reported that emergency room visits for concussions in kids ages 8 to 13 years old has doubled, and concussions have risen 200 percent among teens ages 14 to 19 in the last decade.
High school football accounts for 47 percent of all reported sports concussions, with 33 percent of concussions occurring during practice. After football, ice hockey and soccer pose the most significant head health risk.
47% of all reported sports concussions occur during high school football
1 in 5 high school athletes will sustain a sports concussion during the season
Concussion Rates per Sport
The below numbers indicate the amount of sports concussions taking place per 100,000 athletic exposures. An athletic exposure is defined as one athlete participating in one organized high school athletic practice or competition, regardless of the amount of time played.
Football: 64 -76.8
Boys' ice hockey: 54
Girl's soccer: 33
Boys' lacrosse: 40 - 46.6
Girls' lacrosse: 31 - 35
Boys' soccer: 19 - 19.2
Boys' wrestling: 22 - 23.9
Girls' basketball: 18.6 - 21
Girls' softball: 16 - 16.3
Boys' basketball: 16 - 21.2
This is just a product of concussion reporting protocol getting a lot more strict in football.
We had a (former) athletic trainer who was told by the district that as part of her job expectations/yearly review, she was required to report a certain number of concussions every year. The goal was ridiculously high and led to her looking for concussions on every play. EVERY DAMN PLAY. It became ludicrous.
Yeah, we had 3 kids that were concussed in the first few weeks of the year and ended up being sidelined for the remainder of the season, even though they passed the concussion protocol (that has become very strict). They were told that another concussion in the same season could result in severe brain damage and/or death. Naturally, parents weren't in a hurry to allow them to return. I'm all for player safety, but this has been blown out of proportion for little league and high school football.
Honestly, Idk how many I had? I just know when you are watching the film the next day and don't remember doing what you see yourself doing, pretty good indicator. Hell, once I didn't remember who we played the night before. They didn't take your helmet back in those days.
My college roommate was barred from playing football due to over 20 documented concussions. They still let him wrestle, though. He picked up a few more his frosh and soph years and eventually barred him from that, too.
Hope he's doing ok. He was pretty off even back then, especially with reactions to some of the substances (recreational and PED) we were all taking.
My Uncle who got me in this business best friend WW has been in decline ever since he retired http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/0...y-of-super-bowl-i-he-has-no-recollection.html
Buffson says his kid if ever will not play
and that is way i think the nfl, without massive change, is an endangered event.
i know very, very few parents, including me, who would let their boys play. even guys who played at various levels when they were young.
i respect anyone who wants to play, but i think the trends do not favor the nfl. even madden said they shouldn't be playing full contact in pads until high school. by high school, i had played in pads for like 7 years. and they were smaller and slower then than now.
His future is so bright he is already wearing shades......
3 days short of 2 months. I have handled this one, he is long, stout, with big hands and feet. Very active so he gets a set of clubs in a year and possibly a basketball or baseball. Both parents are in medicine, Gramps will be dead when he gets to the age.
This explains it.
I am glad that we are paying more attention to it but also agree that we are also reaching a point of overkill.
I also believe that the accuracy of reporting is not close to even between sports. People are looking for concussions in football, other sports including soccer much less so
All sport, all activity requires a certain amount of risk. There is also a risk in not being active.
Studies show that kids who are participants in HS sports do better academically than those who don't and are less likely to drop out. They also form more positive relationships with other students and tend to be happier.
I know that I had concussions. I remember having headaches and my head "buzzing" after practice every day for time periods. During these times it was hard to learn and remember things. Eventually I got over them and when I quit playing football they went away.
We do need to get better at recognizing the guys who are having multiple incidents and preventing them from doing permanent damage. Just from players off the Buffs team we have had to many tragedies due to permanent damage due to head injury, Ted Johnson being one of the most prominent.
Having watched the 30 for 30 on the 85' Bears I was intrigued by the work the doctors are doing with Jim McMahon. They located a narrowing in the spinal canal area that creates a dam for the protein laden liquid filling his brain. The liquid is basically stuck in the brain and does damage to the brain tissue. That would explain the CTE brain VS damage from an injury. The CTE brain looks more like it is pickled than injured.
The therapy seems simple and if caught early with screening for this narrowing would be preventative. It might explain why many who have played and had numerous concussions do not have any CTE symptoms while others are plagued with horrible headaches,cloudy vision and memory loss.
Miami your stuff was newer then the reports the DP ran a 2 or 3 years ago and i do think the numbers going up is due to the obvious. In non-football sports kids smack heads or the ground you can see and feel the bumps. Kids in helmets have been till recently considered protected. Football reporting and even suspecting a concussion has become so much more careful. It does raise my concern radar some but I am always on the sideline and we go out of the way to talk to the kids in the face through out the game so we can see their eyes. To be honest I am far more concerned about him turning 16 in 5 years and driving, but that's just me.
Of all the dangers facing high school kids, long term effects of concussions should be pretty low on the list. Advancing to the collegiate level may increase the level of concern, but for 95% of athletes that stop after HS, it shouldn't be a big concern. Just my opinion, and no, I don't have kids, so I reserve the right to change my opinion on the matter down the road.
McMahon with a "pickled brain"?? Do tell!
Didn't he play "pickled" most of the time and not due to concussion, but rather from booze?
Life is a "RISK". All one can do is manage it. Once you have kids, you learn things like the No. 1 killers of children under 2, are bathtubs and 5 gallon buckets. For teenagers, its cars.
Haven't seen much of a push to ban those items on the grounds of safety---"even if it saves just one life"!
The way I look at it is, you know what you sign up for. I wouldn't change a damn thing about playing. It's more free will to me. It was a different time though.
Something doesn't seem right with the disparity between boy's and girl's soccer.
I noticed that as well. The only thing I could think of is that a sizable percentage of boys, probably the super aggressive ones, leave soccer for football. The girls not having that option leave the roughest ones in the game until the end.
Girls soccer is brutal. We had our daughter in youth soccer for a couple years. She was a horrible soccer player. She didn't get the rules, barely understood the goal of the game at all. She just kind or ran around and had fun. Then, one year, we started seeing the other girls who really took the game seriously. At that point, it was dangerous for our girl to be out there on the same playing field. This ended her soccer career and spawned her career in competitive dance. Those girls can be brutal too, just not physically.
Girl soccer players are really mean. Junk grabbing mean.
Agreed. I also think there's a difference between parents not allowing their kids to play football because of the concussion risks, and parents simply not encouraging them play.
Well, as a previous poster said earlier its probably non uniform reporting.
In my sons age group the competitive soccer program has already lost about a half dozen players to football. When they load this national age change thing in in the fall its going to break up a lot of teams so I wonder if that will impact things as well.
Daughter played up through U-18 elite and club at CU. My son played up through U-15. It seems to me that girls play the ball in the air a lot more. I'm not sure why I think that. But they play the ball with their heads a lot. Also, girls are really aggressive and can tend to have a lot more head on head collisions than the boys. But I have no scientific evidence to back that up. And, maybe girls will tend to complain about head injuries more than guys would. So, reporting could be a reason for the statistics.
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