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Is CU as much of a rebuilding project as we think?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buffnik, Nov 30, 2012.

  1. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I know, I know... 7 straight losing seasons, coming off 1-11, statistics that put the team close to last across the board, tons of recent blowout losses, etc., etc.

    But bear with me.

    Embree and other football guys close to the program feel really good about the young talent on the team.

    Those freshmen and sophomores will be sophomores and juniors next year.

    Some exciting talent from the 2012 class greyshirted and will be joining in the spring along with a fully healthy Paul Richardson.

    Might a coach look at this job and think that 2013 is positioned to be much improved and have confidence that he can both finish the 2013 recruiting class strongly while also pulling in a great 2014 class on the back of new coach excitement, a facilities announcement, and improved W/L results?

    I'm thinking that CU may be positioned similarly to how OU was when Stoops took that job. Not "poised for a national title", but "poised for a similar degree of fast improvement" that could launch long-term success.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. DavieJM

    DavieJM New Member

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    I definitely see the argument here, and truly hope this is the case moving forward over the next few years. That being said, it is definitely the glass half full version, but one I'm willing to get on board with! :thumbsup:
     
  3. 30Something

    30Something Distinguished Brotha Club Member

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    I've been doing some thinking on this too. I tend to agree. The O-Line should be largely intact, lots of experience from freshmen, some good grayshirts coming in, all of which will get the added benefit of a spring practice.

    If we bring in a quality staff and good schemes I think CU can be much improved in 2013.

    BTW - bcs promised to rep me. Pay up. Golazo!!!!!:thumbsup:
     
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  4. EddieCrowder

    EddieCrowder Club Member Club Member

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    I think this is dead on Nik, if the greyshirts do enroll, and I think there are some questions there. This could be a team that at the very minimum is competitive, beats the teams they are supposed to, and maybe pulls of a surprise.
     
  5. J.R. Ewing

    J.R. Ewing Club Member Club Member

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    Still a team with no quality proven qb and a lot of holes at other positions on the 2-deep.
     
  6. gobuffs58

    gobuffs58 Well-Known Member

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    cant get any worse!... only way from here is up!
     
  7. lawdogg

    lawdogg Club Member Club Member

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    That kool-aid tastes delicious, think I'll have another.
     
  8. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    A quick turnaround is possible.
     
  9. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    All OU did was sign a JUCO QB named Josh Huepel.
     
  10. Rraalph 3000

    Rraalph 3000 Well-Known Member

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    You do realize that making this argument means that JE actually wasn't doing as bad a job as you chronicled?
     
  11. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    The QB situation is my biggest concern.
     
  12. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    John Blake was a very good recruiter...he wasn't a good coach just like JE.
     
  13. DBT

    DBT Club Member Club Member

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    I believe there is a good foundation. The right guy can turn it around quickly. I believe that.
     
  14. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    No it actually means he was doing exactly the terrible job we chronicled.
     
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  15. J.R. Ewing

    J.R. Ewing Club Member Club Member

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    If you look at concerns for year 2 and year 3, offensive line, lbs, and safety are up there. Not to mention our lack of speed and playmakers...
     
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  16. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    That would mean that Embree was doing even worse
     
  17. Rraalph 3000

    Rraalph 3000 Well-Known Member

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    How so? One of the biggest points chronicled was how JE actually was not a very good recruiter in the little time he had....This argument was made with a ton of facts and recruiting class rankings, etc. by Nik and others on this site?

    And now there is an argument that those kids he recruited are all talented now?
     
  18. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    He pumped a lot of sunshine that didn't come to fruition. I'm skeptical. Plus new coach, new system. Three year turnaround minimum with a good coach, new facilities and admin support. Turnaround equals finishing in the top 25.
     
  19. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    If Shane Dillon lives up to the hype and a lot of the better guys like Richardson don't transfer, I could see us being competitive in the Pac-12 and a possible bowl team with the right staff.
     
  20. bigbang2

    bigbang2 Typical, brain knowledge or the ability to have a

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    The only areas that I am not concerns about are TE and RB. Every other area is a concern.
     
  21. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Good point Rraalph, but I think we were most concerned about the upcoming class.

    Having said that, I'm remaining consistent with my message. Our talent still leaves something to be desired.
     
  22. J.R. Ewing

    J.R. Ewing Club Member Club Member

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    I'm not biting on the bowl-game play action just yet.
     
  23. fwbuff

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    It's a MASSIVE rebuild. Hell, 2 wins and only getting blown out, say, 3 times would be a giant leap forward.

    Still gonna be counting on a lot of freshmen, including at QB. At least I hope we have a frosh QB starting next year because I've seen enough of the other guys.
     
  24. J.R. Ewing

    J.R. Ewing Club Member Club Member

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    2 wins next year would still be a disappointment. After all, we do play CSU and some fricking FCS school.
     
  25. KingPants

    KingPants Club Member Club Member

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    There was enough talent on this team to win 3, maybe 5 games. I think a decent coach can get that out of them right away. It's not that big jump to make.
     
  26. wsp4820

    wsp4820 Sally Club Member Junta Member

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    I have wondered how different our offense would have looked with PRich and JT at WR. I think that would have really opened things up for the running game and given the QBs much more time to throw because teams would have had to double at least PRich and still worry about the Thomas boys. If they all get on the same page, I do think the offense could be greatly improved right out of the gate.
     
  27. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    It's not that hard to get to a bowl game. Which makes the last 7 years even more sad
     
  28. Bone Buff

    Bone Buff Well-Known Member

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    If a coach comes in here and manages to get 4 wins next season he will be a god.
     
  29. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    Not at all. My argument was always that I thought the worst-case scenario would be that Embree would improve the program's culture and bring in good talent. I expected that after 3 or 4 years we'd know whether he could get the on-field results and that either way we'd be better off for his time here.

    Let me summarize my full argument. The results were so horrifically bad in 2012 that this decision timeline needed to be accelerated. 2013 recruits were not as highly regarded as 2012, some of the best were dropping CU for other offers, and 2014 did not look promising at all. Further, the failure of coordination, scheme and making effective adjustments called into serious question whether Embree was ready to take advantage of the opportunity. Finally, since Embree was replacing at least 1 coordinator and all schemes for next year, he was admitting that a complete re-set was needed. CU has an opportunity to take full advantage of the good work Embree has done by getting a new coach right now and stocking additional talent with more seasoned team, staff & gameday management. If we miss that opportunity by sticking with Embree, we're making a much riskier decision that is much more likely to put CU football into another long-term rebuild situation.
     
  30. skibum

    skibum Peed in your Cheerios. Club Member

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    I think I know what nik is up to here. And I like it. Let's change the narrative about CU Football. Instead of continuing to surround the program with a doom and gloom shadow, let's talk up the positives - it will only help us to land a top-tier coach. Focusing on the negative simply ensures that we will be seen as a negative destination for a new coach.

    Yes, I do think the table is nearly set for a new coaching staff to come in and turn in a very strong performance.
     

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