J-Fly Bye Bye?

[Buffsfan09]

We are looking very petty in regards to this.
Pathetic.

I think it's pathetic that you think we should encourage this type of behavior by releasing him to go anywhere. He is lucky he got anything. The kid commits to a school, is on-boarded with a ton of resources thrown at him, given the tools to become a solid football player when someone else wasn't given a chance or scholly, and then decides to leave to pursue a rap career. CU then releases him from his commitment and allows him to go to another school to pursue his education or football and CU is at fault??? That kind of logic is pathetic.

One more thing...last I heard most if not all the rappers I know of didn't learn to rap in college...they came from the streets.....yo.

 

[Daaah]

I respectfully disagree. Based on what Josh told the AD regarding his reasons for requesting a transfer, CU is still giving him every chance to be successful at what he stated he wants to do. Josh can pursue music and be close to home at a school with an elite football program; what's wrong with that UNLESS Josh is being dishonest about something.

By the way, for anyone who thinks that this is unusual or doesn't happen elsewhere, look into Miami's restrictions on Robert Marve's 2009 transfer.

The reason that CU is not giving him every chance to be successful is that CU knows that USC is loaded at WR and that they don't have a scholarship to give him. They've basically restricted him to a school that he doesn't have a shot at.

 

[Junction]

There was obviously something going on behind all of this that has not reached anyone who is willing to report it or people are prevented from reporting it because of some sort of privacy policies.

I have no evidence for this, but I suspect some tampering was going on that was clearly identified and proven.

Transferring and/or quitting occurs in all sports at all levels all the time. Team players typically don't worry much and don't look back. Someone fills in and and the team keeps moving.

This makes sense to me, too. It seems to me ASU and USC were the two schools named early on in this story, because they had his major and they were "close to home". I am also thinking JS had a high school teammate at ASU? IF something went on there, maybe restricting JS to the other school that met those criteria is Hawk's way of dealing with it. I suppose he could just restrict JS from going to the offending school, but it seems to me that could get even messier.

The thought also occurs to me that, with the recent staff changes, any discussion of possible tampering would have to at least consider Oregon. But that is pure, complete speculation.... :huh:

 

[leftybuff]

One more thing...last I heard most if not all the rappers I know of didn't learn to rap in college...they came from the streets.....yo.

Word.:lol:

 

[B1Buff]

He most likely cannot go to any school he wants. I don't know what Josh's academic standing is, but it's possible that if USC isn't going to give him a football scholarship, he's not getting past admissions.

sounds like a personal problem...academic aptitude or effort does not discriminate against a persons background, financial situation, or circumstances.

 

[BuffNut99]

The reason that CU is not giving him every chance to be successful is that CU knows that USC is loaded at WR and that they don't have a scholarship to give him. They've basically restricted him to a school that he doesn't have a shot at.

I submit that it may appear that way, although I think that any school - USC included - would have to be interested in him at least as a returner. It's not CU's fault if Josh can't break in somewhere else. By the way, it was Josh who said "USC, ASU, or one of these other 6-8 schools" - not CU who said "How about USC?" Basically, this is CU saying "USC is the only school on Josh's list (of schools that Josh created) that meets all of the criteria he laid out for what he wants to do. All of the other programs Josh had on his list don't meet the criteria."

 

[B1Buff]

We are looking very petty in regards to this.

I'd be with Hawkins if he didn't want to release Smith to a conference school or a school on the schedule the next few years, but this is just petty. If he doesn't want to be with us, fine, let him go. Let's face it, USC probably would not give him a football scholarship, so now we're going to screw Smith over and only release him to a school that we know most likely will not give him a scholarship?

Pathetic.

I like it, set the example to new recruits and current palyers. He agreed to a scholarship with Colorado (a contract) and is now asking to be released from the contract with no penalty. This is very similar to the rich rodriguez situation that was so controversial a year ago. This is a valuable life lesson to JS about honoring commitments and agreements as well as to the rest of the team. His justification for transfer was obviously not 100% truthful or he would be happy with the original decision.

 

[BuffMania]

I think it's pathetic that you think we should encourage this type of behavior by releasing him to go anywhere. He is lucky he got anything. The kid commits to a school, is on-boarded with a ton of resources thrown at him, given the tools to become a solid football player when someone else wasn't given a chance or scholly, and then decides to leave to pursue a rap career. CU then releases him from his commitment and allows him to go to another school to pursue his education or football and CU is at fault??? That kind of logic is pathetic.

One more thing...last I heard most if not all the rappers I know of didn't learn to rap in college...they came from the streets.....yo.

First of all, he doesn't want to pursue a career as a rapper...he's interested in the production side of music.

Secondly, why not let him go to ASU, a school that would likely give him a scholarship? Why only let him go to a school that will not give him a scholarship? College isn't cheap.

So the kid doesn't want to be a Buff, and now we're acting like the bitter ex-girlfriend who got dumped.

It doesn't help Colorado by doing this. It will only be a blackeye, and if Hawkins continues this pitiful behavior, it's only a matter of time before it starts hurting recruiting.

 

[BuffMania]

By the way, for anyone who thinks that this is unusual or doesn't happen elsewhere, look into Miami's restrictions on Robert Marve's 2009 transfer.

Of all the programs in the country, I think Miami is the last one I want to see CU emulating.

Still, Miami ended up giving Marve choices. He looked at Nebraska, Purdue, ASU, ect, ect...IIRC, Miami would not let him transfer to a SEC or ACC school.

That's not exactly the same as only allowing a player to transfer to one school, and on top of that knowing that that one school won't offer Smith a scholarship.

By the way, it should also be noted that Marve was twice suspended at Miami.

 

[Wyo Buff]

I think J-Fly or whatever the hell he calls himself should get used to asking "Do you want fries with that?"

 

[CarolinaBuff]

We are looking very petty in regards to this.

I'd be with Hawkins if he didn't want to release Smith to a conference school or a school on the schedule the next few years, but this is just petty. If he doesn't want to be with us, fine, let him go. Let's face it, USC probably would not give him a football scholarship, so now we're going to screw Smith over and only release him to a school that we know most likely will not give him a scholarship?

Pathetic.

I highly doubt that Hawk and CU would choose to severely limit Smith's options if they didn't have a very good reason to do so, which is why what buffalo30 wrote below makes all the more sense.

Simply put, and as alot of people on this board have stated, there's more to this story than any of us know right now.

There was obviously something going on behind all of this that has not reached anyone who is willing to report it or people are prevented from reporting it because of some sort of privacy policies.

I have no evidence for this, but I suspect some tampering was going on that was clearly identified and proven.

Transferring and/or quitting occurs in all sports at all levels all the time. Team players typically don't worry much and don't look back. Someone fills in and and the team keeps moving.

 

[BuffMania]

Thankfully, Michigan took the high road and allowed Clemons to transfer anywhere he wanted to, or else he perhaps wouldn't have transfered to Colorado.

I mean, afterall, Michigan invested so much into Clemons, and Clemons signed a CONTRACT with Michigan, yet he still had the nerve to quit the program? How dare he?!

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

Secondly, why not let him go to ASU, a school that would likely give him a scholarship? Why only let him go to a school that will not give him a scholarship? College isn't cheap.

No **** it isn't cheap. It wasn't cheap for me, either. And I didn't have a full ride scholarship paying my tuition, my room and board, giving me a national spotlight to showcase my skills, etc.

I have never heard anyone associated with CU say, "We won't allow him to go to ASU." Hell if he wants to go to ASU he should fill out the paperwork and get enrolled. The same applies if he wants to go to USC, or Arizona, or UCLA, or San Diego State, or any other university. Get those applications out, Josh.

Don't play this off like CU has somehow thwarted Josh Smith from attending Arizona State or some other school, or that CU has somehow prevented Josh Smith from pursuing his educational ambitions. If that's what he really wants to do then he needs to get cracking and get on with it.

All CU has said is -- "We're not going to release you to get on a FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIP at certain schools" - something which is completely and totally within CU's rights.

So the kid doesn't want to be a Buff, and now we're acting like the bitter ex-girlfriend who got dumped.

I don't see the two as parallel. CU and Josh Smith had a legally binding contract. Josh Smith played football. CU provided an education, a place to live, food and books, tutors, etc. CU has/is living up to the terms of the contract.

It doesn't help Colorado by doing this. It will only be a blackeye, and if Hawkins continues this pitiful behavior, it's only a matter of time before it starts hurting recruiting.

It might hurt some. There are some primadonnas out there who are only thinking of themselves who will certainly be turned off by this turn of events. But there has been a precendent set by this - something that will show kids who sign on the dotted line that they need to be serious about their commitment to the University of Colorado. And I, for one, don't think that is a bad thing.

 

[sackman]

Thankfully, Michigan took the high road and allowed Clemons to transfer anywhere he wanted to, or else he perhaps wouldn't have transfered to Colorado.

I mean, afterall, Michigan invested so much into Clemons, and Clemons signed a CONTRACT with Michigan, yet he still had the nerve to quit the program? How dare he?!

Aside from the fact that it's a player transferring from one school to another, the two situations are completely different. Clemons is transferring because of the coaching change, and felt that his abilities wouldn't be utilized properly there. Smith said he's transferring due to academic issues.

But yeah, go ahead and say they're similar situations. No sense being logical on a BBS.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Would it be appropriate coaching etiquette for Hawkins to speak with Pete Carol, or vice versa after the announcement was made?

Seems like USC is sort of the innocent bystander in all this. As a professional courtesy, seems like USC's AD's would have liked to be given a head's up before something like this hits the ESPN news wire.

If they did chat, are there NCAA limitations on what can be discussed?

I guess Nueheisel could feel slighted in CU's decission. That'd be interesting if UCLA was on Josh's list, too.

 

[BuffMania]

Aside from the fact that it's a player transferring from one school to another, the two situations are completely different. Clemons is transferring because of the coaching change, and felt that his abilities wouldn't be utilized properly there. Smith said he's transferring due to academic issues.

But yeah, go ahead and say they're similar situations. No sense being logical on a BBS.

Yeah, go ahead and try and totally dismiss the similarities in order to make yourself feel better about the situation. Who cares if Smith is leaving because he wants to pursue a different degree or if it's because of playing time, the fact of the matter is that, just like Clemons, Smith wanted to break his contract. Michigan took the high road. CU isn't.

 

[BuffMania]

It might hurt some. There are some primadonnas out there who are only thinking of themselves who will certainly be turned off by this turn of events. But there has been a precendent set by this - something that will show kids who sign on the dotted line that they need to be serious about their commitment to the University of Colorado. And I, for one, don't think that is a bad thing.

I wouldn't be concerned with it directly effecting players...but I am concerned with high school coaches seeing this.

When has a university ever limited a football player to transferring to only one school?

And again, why make Josh Smith go somewhere where he won't get a football scholarship? Why do that when we all know the expenses of college? Because he left you at the alter? It's non-sensical.

I guarantee that if CSU or NU was doing this, the same ones defending Hawk's every move would be all over them.

 

[Junction]

I wouldn't be concerned with it directly effecting players...but I am concerned with high school coaches seeing this.

When has a university ever limited a football player to transferring to only one school?

And again, why make Josh Smith go somewhere where he won't get a football scholarship? Why do that when we all no the expenses of college? Because he left you at the alter? It's non-sensical.

I guarantee that if CSU or NU was doing this, the same ones defending Hawk's every move would be all over them.

Perhaps it's "non-sensical" because, as many people have said, we don't know the entire situation. If Hawk took this stand with every player transferring, I'd agree with you that he is wrong and we could chalk this up to his "behavior" as you said earlier. But since he has never taken this stance before, I think that indicates other factors at work here. I'm not going to jump down his throat without knowing what those might be...

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

I wouldn't be concerned with it directly effecting players...but I am concerned with high school coaches seeing this.

When has a university ever limited a football player to transferring to only one school?

And again, why make Josh Smith go somewhere where he won't get a football scholarship? Why do that when we all no the expenses of college? Because he left you at the alter? It's non-sensical.

I guarantee that if CSU or NU was doing this, the same ones defending Hawk's every move would be all over them.

I'm not sure how much you read the board, but there was a post recently that showed quite a few occasions where schools have limited transfers.

Does Josh Smith (or any football player, for that matter) have some kind of right or entitlement to receive a football scholarship? I don't think so.

Again, nobody is preventing Josh from going to Arizona State, if that's where he wants to go. But CU has every right to say Josh can't get a football scholarship at Arizona State. Even then - CU can only limit Josh for 2009. So he get's a student loan for a year - big deal. With all the money he could make in the NFL and in his music production future I am sure he will be able to pay off those student loans in no time. So at the same time that he sits out his transfer year, he works on his studies and is essentially a walkon. In 2010 - which is the first year he could actually play football anyway - he can be on a full ride scholarship again.

Maybe Josh can find a nice div. i-aa school with his major, where he could go play football immediately?

 

[BuffMania]

I'm not sure how much you read the board, but there was a post recently that showed quite a few occasions where schools have limited transfers.

Limiting transfers? Yes. But limiting a transfer to just ONE school? The closest example I can think of is Miami, who limited Marve from transfering to an ACC or an SEC school.

Does Josh Smith (or any football player, for that matter) have some kind of right or entitlement to receive a football scholarship? I don't think so.

Of course no one has a right, but WHY should we hit him in the balls on the way out, simply because he doesn't want to be a Buff. The Buff program is stronger than one player, take the high road, limit him from transferring to a conference school or someone on your schedule, and move on.

How does it hurt CU to let Smith transfer to say...ASU or Cal?

 

[sackman]

Yeah, go ahead and try and totally dismiss the similarities in order to make yourself feel better about the situation. Who cares if Smith is leaving because he wants to pursue a different degree or if it's because of playing time, the fact of the matter is that, just like Clemons, Smith wanted to break his contract. Michigan took the high road. CU isn't.

What similarities? Two guys at two different schools decided to transfer for completely different reasons.

The only similarity is that they're both transferring. Their justifications for requesting the transfer are highly relevant, and are the basis for the difference between the two situations.

"Who cares why Smith is leaving?" What kind of question is that? It's the basis for the entire debate.

 

[BuffMania]

What similarities? Two guys at two different schools decided to transfer for completely different reasons.

The number 1 reason why I've seen fans on this board state they support Hawkins (despite the fact that it's probably the same fans who blindly support Hawkins on every issue) is that:

1. Smith broke a contract.
So did Clemons.

Smith is transferring (supposedly) because of academic reasons. Clemons is transferring for playing time reasons. Neither reason is worse than the other.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

How does it hurt CU to let Smith transfer to say...ASU or Cal?

I have no idea. But I am not the one with the information and knowledge about the situation.

 

[dply]

My friend just texted me and said that College Football live is reporting that he is going to USC. Has anyone else seen this?

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

My friend just texted me and said that College Football live is reporting that he is going to USC. Has anyone else seen this?

They probably just reported that he was denied his appeal - and USC is the ONLY school he could go to and be on scholarship.

 

[dply]

They probably just reported that he was denied his appeal - and USC is the ONLY school he could go to and be on scholarship.

That is what I figured. He isn't too bright. He has a UT Austin degree.

 

[Daaah]

My friend just texted me and said that College Football live is reporting that he is going to USC. Has anyone else seen this?

Hopefully this is true. It would be the easiest way out of a nasty situation.

 

[buffs04]

Not sure why Bohn and Hawkins feel the need to be vindictive assholes in this situation but it's ****ing pathetic and extremely childish.

Give the kid a release to any school not on our schedule for the remainder of his eligibility and be done with it.

What is this kind of petty garbage accomplishing? There is no defense of it whatsoever. There is no precedent among major programs for not releasing kids from scholarships to go play in other conferences.

People on this site want to talk about not trashing the kids on the team? There is no bigger possible method available on earth to trash a kid more than only granting him a scholarship release to a school that they know does not need him.

Despicable behavior from a couple of guys who haven't proven anything at this school yet except that they are more than capable of losing. Exceptional way to help contribute to another below average, mid 40s/50s ranked recruiting class for the "recruiting genius".

 

[sackman]

Not sure why Bohn and Hawkins feel the need to be vindictive assholes in this situation but it's ****ing pathetic and extremely childish.

Give the kid a release to any school not on our schedule for the remainder of his eligibility and be done with it.

What is this kind of petty garbage accomplishing? There is no defense of it whatsoever. There is no precedent among major programs for not releasing kids from scholarships to go play in other conferences.

People on this site want to talk about not trashing the kids on the team? There is no bigger possible method available on earth to trash a kid more than only granting him a scholarship release to a school that they know does not need him.

Despicable behavior from a couple of guys who haven't proven anything at this school yet except that they are more than capable of losing. Exceptional way to help contribute to another below average, mid 40s/50s ranked recruiting class for the "recruiting genius".

Yeah, vindictive assholes alright. Sure. OK. Whatever.

 

[Duff Man]

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