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Lets talk Askia

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by sliderNcider, Mar 22, 2014.

  1. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    So what's his role if Dinwiddie comes back? And if Spencer leaves?

    3pt%
    Freshman: 37.2%
    Soph: 31.2%
    Jr: 27.2%

    FG%
    Freshman: 40.2%
    Soph: 36.4%
    Jr: 38.9%

    Obviously his attempts have increased since his freshman year, but he has only gotten worse shooting wise. That 27% is just hard to look at. Maybe it's time to tighten the reins.
     
  2. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    I think he shouldered a lot of the responsibility after Spencer's injury and started taking shots he wouldn't normally take. I seem to remember that prior to Spencer's injury, Ski was pretty solid from behind the arc. He wasn't taking a lot of stupid shots.

    I think the world of Ski. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do next year. I have no idea if Spencer is coming back or not, but my expectation is that even if he's gone, the PG duties will be handled by XT or Dom, and Ski will move back to his shooting guard spot where he can be most effective.
     
  3. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    Askia shot 28.4% from 3 with Spencer in the line-up this season
     
  4. Darth Snow

    Darth Snow Hawaiian Buffalo Club Member Junta Member

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    A lot of his threes were off the desperation heave kind. Needs to stop that. More a problem if our offense than anyr
     
  5. GoonieBuff

    GoonieBuff Not really Club Member

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    I'm a big fan of Ski. I think those numbers are more indicative of his teammates than himself. For example, when Spencer went down, he was forced to take more shots and force more often, as we don't have shooters or many playmakers on this team. I'm willing to bet that on a team with Spencer coming back, and Dom coming in, that Ski will have his best shooting percentage numbers of his college career next year. If Spencer doesn't come back, I don't see much of a change in the trend.
     
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    Yeah. Spend the first 25-30 of the shot clock trying to find a way to get Josh Scott to the basket, can't because of double teams, rush a low percentage shot before the buzzer.

    Offensive Plan B does not exist or does not work.
     
  7. GoonieBuff

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    I totally agree. I should have added that a lack of a true offensive system also contributes to the lack of shooting percentage improvement.
     
  8. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    The system hasn't changed, his shooting keeps getting worse. That's reality.

    He's streaky and he went into a slump in the fall of 2012 and emerged at times after Spencer's injury.
     
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    Is his shooting worse or his shot selection worse?
     
  10. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    He shot worse after Dinwiddie went down, but 28% with him in the lineup is still awful
     
  11. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    So who takes the shots if Ski does not? He is forced to take some bad shots because most guys on the team defer on offense.
     
  12. CVilleBuff

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    Exactly. When they run around like chickens with their heads cut off for 30 seconds someone has to chuck it up...
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Get outta here with that logic!


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  14. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    How many of his attempts were actually under those circumstances? I'm just saying he doesn't deserve as much of a pass as the interwebz gives him. He's shot at a low percentage the last two seasons. 1.5 of those were with Dinwiddie when Askia wasn't the primary option
     
  15. GoBuffs08

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    IMO Ski tended to be a black hole with the ball. He was responsible for many of the poor shots when the shot clock was down to 3 seconds because he spent 15 seconds trying to dribble 1 on 5. But as it was pointed out, who else was going to shoot?
     
  16. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Enough of them were.

    The end of regulation in Berkeley is a great example. Talton passes to Ski in the corner instead of just going up with it himself.
     
  17. DenverBuff77

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    Came here to post the exact same thing. We have XJ and Scott also, so it's not like we're missing another decent scorer.

    If Ski ever thought about passing the ball instead of forcing up some BS we might have fared better against Pitt. His dismal start doomed us and he kept driving into the heart of the D only to lose the ball or have his shot blocked. He had only 4TO(to 0 assists) but his 0/6 start was more like 3 extra TO's because of the bad shots. I don't get all the love for him here.
     
  18. sliderNcider

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    Ok that's fine. How does that account for the 1.5 seasons where he shot a pretty abysmal % with Dinwiddie?
     
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    I don't get the persistent myth that we had other shooters just waiting in the wings
     
  20. Duff Man

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    I don't get why all CU fans don't love him as an all-time program player.
     
  21. Duff Man

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    He was in a slump for most of last season, but still had to take shots no one else was willing to take.

    Are you suggesting he needs a much diminished role on the team or what?
     
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    I don't like to think about this teams chances without Booker.
     
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    CU took 204 shots in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock. Booker took 50 of them, 5-11 at the rim, 7-21 2 pt jumpers and 3-18 3's.
     
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    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    Is it really a slump if it lasts two seasons? And that's why I posed the ? of what his role should be. I'm not sure but it's clear that if he is our #1 scoring option.... dare I say DOOM?
     
  25. DenverBuff77

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    I never implied that. Passing means a lot more than kicking out to an open jump shooter, but thanks for making ***** up.

    I guess I will go there now. XJ shot 46% from the field. That's pretty good for a guy who doesn't have to lay it up to score every time. Scott can also make a 10-14 ft shot pretty consistently, but coaches only seem to use him in the post exclusively. Gordon can't shoot though and he should be exclusively used in the low block. Hop seemed promising, but faded when he lost confidence. I agree we don't have many good jump shooters, but with a little offensive creativity we can find open guys(XJ or Scott) for mid-range jumpers.
     
  26. sliderNcider

    sliderNcider MacLovin Club Member

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    So a small % of his missed 3's (18 of 99)
     
  27. Darth Snow

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    20% is a pretty decent amount.
     
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    13.2% isn't all that small for desperation 3's.


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  29. jgisland

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    xj went 26-67 from 2 pt jumpers, 38.8%, not bad by any stretch, but not 46% either. Ski shot 37.7% on 2 pt j's, Scott 37.3 %. So not really buying your argument.
     
  30. CVilleBuff

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    Seems you're basing this on actually running an offense. As we know, we don't run an offense. My comment was simply about who should be taking the shot in the final seconds. Other guys had chances to make opportunities throughout possessions and failed to do so, so it fell on Ski to heave up a shot.
     

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