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NCAA = Bully ????

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buff_since76, May 28, 2009.

  1. Buff_since76

    Buff_since76 Still a fan... Club Member

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    OK,

    For a few years now the NCAA has been sitting on their hands in regards to USC's blatant violation of major NCAA rules. Since January it looks like the NCAA has been using their power to investigate Memphis regarding an SAT violation:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4210798

    This to me seems like the NCAA is trying to show it is a strong regulating body, as they are going after a recently good B-ball program. The thing is they continue to drag their feet on USC.

    So my question to the group, Is the NCAA more of a bully of small programs that it can control than a regulator of the entire college landscape? When big revenue generating programs have violation, they drag their feet hoping it goes away, and give minor violations. If a smaller program does something wrong the stick them with major punishment in order to show they are strong.

    Pick on weak and let strong slide = bully!!
     
  2. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Right on the money.
     
  3. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    How do you explain the NCAA's actions re: Oklahoma and Alabama then?

    The NCAA is not afraid to act when they have evidence of wrongdoing. My limited understanding of the situation at USC is that none of the alleged wrongdoers are cooperating with the investigation - so they have no real evidence of wrongdoing.
     
  4. Buff_since76

    Buff_since76 Still a fan... Club Member

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    Alabama did get slapped around a little, but Oklahoma only lost 2 scholarships for 08-09 & 09-10 along with being put on probation until 2010. I believe CU received the same punishment for allowing walk-on athletes’ to eat for cheap (which is now allowed).

    The NCAA wants to keep USC up and going for as long as possible. Right now LA doesn't have an NFL franchise, so the Trojans are the closest thing to a pro football team in the secon largest TV market in America. Most people in LA use to cheer for the Raiders, but Al Davis has helped create less and less interest in the team each year. So, right now the NCAA dominates football in this market.

    The charges that would be brought against USC would be the most severe in “Lack of Institutional Control”. That would reduce scholarships, and keep USC out of any bowl games.

    As far as getting people to cooperate, do they have any type of subpoena power to look at rental records for Reggie Bush’s parents house, tax forms that he filled, and bank account statements? I have no idea. I just want to know how many investigators are looking into Memphis, and how many have been looking at USC?
     
  5. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Both Alabama and Oklahoma were almost placed on the death penalty (no football whatsoever) in the 1990's. Oklahoma State, SMU, were similarly penalized.

    My understanding is the NCAA only has power over its constitutents. In other words, people at the University must cooperate. Students must cooperate. Reggie Bush has never agreed to cooperate in any investigations, and he doesn't have to because he is not longer associated with the NCAA. Reggie Bush's family doesn't have to cooperate either, as they aren't associated with the NCAA.
     
  6. SINKRATZ

    SINKRATZ Club Member Club Member

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    The Memphis situation is a side-effect of the NBA's "one-and-done" rule. The player only has to stay eligible for one semester essentially and if he has to cheat to make that happen, it won't likely be discovered until he's long gone and filthy rich.

    The player never gets punished (see Bush, Webber, Rose, Mayo, etc) and if a coach leaves for a new job, it's the school that gets left holding the bag (see CU).

    This rule is stupid, and now HS kids are beginning to spend a year over seas if they can get paid.
     
  7. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention - the coach gets to leave scott-free. Calipari is going off to Kentucky with no sanctions following him.

    Maybe they will impose some restrictions on him, if they find that he was in any way culpable, sort of like the NCAA did to Kelvin Sampson when he went to Indiana.
     
  8. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    FIFY :smile2:

    Key word in bold.

    Okie Light never had the death penalty imposed. I believe SMU is alone in that regard, and the NCAA is virtually certain to never impose the penalty again after seeing what it did to SMU.
     
  9. BeachBronco

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    I thought about giving you negative rep for adding question marks behind the word "bully" as if you were asking us if they are bullies. Does the sun not shine? Is the sky not blue? Please ask us more challenging questions...lol

    j/k
     
  10. unbiasedtruth

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    the 4 years probabtion they, Okie State, received from when jimmy johnson was HC was as close to receiving the death as any school since SMU's ordeal with it. What set Okie State apart from SMU is #1. its a state school, not private and #2 only 2 other universities in the state with a Div 1A football program, SMU has to deal with "a whole lot more (too lazy to count them) other Div 1A programs in the state.

    I think if you see a program as corrupt as SMU, and a conference as corrupt as the old Southwest conference was in the mid to late 1980's into the early 1990's, the death penalty will be imposed by the NCAA.

    on the other hand, schools look at what happenned to SMU, and they are darn careful not to let that the same penalty come knocking at their door.
     

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