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"Need to save our recruiting class"

Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by Sportsfan101, Apr 11, 2010.

  1. Sportsfan101

    Sportsfan101 Active Member

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    I hear people say we need to hire McClain to "save our recruiting class." What recruiting class are people talking about? We have zero commits, and signing day is this week, right? The risk of transfer is low -- Burks won't transfer -- he's going to play next year and then go pro.

    If we hire McClain, it should be because we think McClain is the best choice to lead the program over the next 5 years. But don't hire him to "save our recruiting class." That's stupid. And if St. Mary's coach has called and wants to interview, which has been reported, we NEED to at least talk to him. If Bohn decides McClain is a better fit, then fine, but Bohn owes it to the university to at least interview Bennett.
     
  2. Mick Ronson

    Mick Ronson Well-Known Member

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    given where we've been as a program for the last 5-6 years, to get a look from a coach who has just made a deep tournament run is something that needs to be followed up. i like McClain and i can see the logic around hiring him now or ASAP.....but, i agree with you sportsfan. interview the guy.
     
  3. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Exactly. Let's actually go through a process for a change when making a major coaching hire.
     
  4. sparkybuffs

    sparkybuffs New Member

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    Actually, Burks' dad contradicted what you are saying in this denver post article
    http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14864066
     
  5. aik

    aik Club Member Club Member

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    Hate to think one player is holding the AD hostage, even if he is our best player. He'll be back at CU another year or go pro this year. Transfer wouldn't make sense.
     
  6. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    McClain is sounding more and more like the guy. He's been the main recruiter for most of the squad and he's been the coach that the team liked and rallied behind (more so than with Coach Bzdelik). In Maui, there's no doubt that the team played as hard and as well for McClain as they ever did for Bzdelik. If McClain gets the job, he'll hold the team together, he'll finish this recruiting cycle strong, and he'll win. The more I think about it, the more I think we should just pull the trigger. Why go looking when you know you've already got a guy who would do a great job for you?
     
  7. Sportsfan101

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    I don't care what Burks dad said -- they're just being emotional. When you look at his situation, he'd be absolutely CRAZY to transfer because he'd have to sit out a season. After he's cooled his jets a little, he'll realize that the smartest move for him will be to play at CU next year and then go pro.
     
  8. Sportsfan101

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    I think it's stupid to not bring others in to interview. Interview Boyle. Interview Bennett. Interview McClain. Then hire the best fit. A basketball coach needs to be more than simply "Hold the team together." He needs to be the right person for the job long term. If that person is McClain, then great. But Bohn owes it to the basketball fans that have had season tickets over the years (myself included) to at least talk to a couple of candidates.
     
  9. DBT

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    The one porblem I have with your, umm, philosophy, is that interviews don't mean jack ****. Some guys interview really great and then suck.
     
  10. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    That's exactly where I was at this morning. But I got to thinking about how I run my own business and how I've been a manager in other businesses. If I have a position open up, I would never bother interviewing an outside candidate if I had someone already working for me who I had full confidence would get the job done if promoted. So if Bohn and the other people around the program have that feeling about McClain, I say put him in the job and let's move forward.
     
  11. Sportsfan101

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    I agree they're not a perfect evaluation tool, but frankly I don't know what is. if we go by performance, then Bennett would be the hands down guy since he just lead a small school on a deep NCAA run. Or boyle, because he led UNC to its best season in school history and his team lit up CU in a pre-season scrimmage.

    My point is that we need to consider others. The best way to show consideration is to bring them in for an interview and talk to them.

    I'm not saying McClain ISN'T the guy. I just want to make sure we undertake a thorough review of applicable candidates and aren't acting reactively.
     
  12. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    I could cite an example, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it... :smile2:

    I'm agreeing with Nik at this point. McClain looks like a very strong in house candidate. I wouldn't mind seeing guys like Boyle and Bennett interviewed too, but it's nice to know we've got a pretty good solution already on staff.
     
  13. Sportsfan101

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    I see your point. Still, the employees at this level are so highly compensated and important to the entire university that if there are candidates that have had more success than mcclain (and I think there are), we should be talking to them. Again, we don't necessarily need to hire them, but we should talk to them.
     
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    No, I don't care. CU is gong to hell in a hand basket in sports. And sports is probably the one thing that keeps alums close to the school.
     
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    So Randy Bennett is not related to Dick or Tony Bennett, right? I just looked up his record at St. Mary's. Pretty solid. In 9 seasons, he has never won the conference, but finished runner-up 6 times. Damn you Gonzaga!

    Regarding DBT's rant, I see no point in interviewing guys that you think are the equal to McClain (Bennett, Boyle), assuming you like McClain. However, by drawing out the process more, you increase the odds (albeit long odds) that you may be contacted by a homerun candidate. Who knows. Maybe someone recently fired like Ernie Kent, someone retired like Steve Lavin, or perhaps a solid coach moving down the ranks (i.e Tubby Smith or Steve Alford).
     
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    Ernie Kent may be able to pull Mike Dunlap. I like this idea.
     
  17. SECOBuffsFan

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    Continuity is key to the rebuilding.

    Things are headed in the right direction....I can guarantee you Ernie Kent or Billy Gillispie or even Randy Bennett are going to want to put their own stamp on the program. McClain has been as responsible for where CU is headed as Bzdelik and in a lot of ways I think he has done more with his recruiting and his enthusiasm as anyone. Bzdelik, who I like, isn't the most personable person and doesn't have the charisma of McClain.
     
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    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    McClain's record as a head coach wasn't all that great, if I remember correctly. I dunno, I think I'd like to bring in a few guys for interviews.
     
  19. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    9 seasons

    157-115 overall record (.577)

    2 conference titles (1 was a tie)
    1 NCAA tournament (advanced to 2nd round by beating 6 Gonzaga)
    3 NIT tournaments
    2 MWC Coach of the Year

    What it came down to is that he was a victim of his own success. He got fired for a .500 record and no postseasons over his last 3 seasons (17-15 in the final one).
     
  20. Scotch

    Scotch Registered User Club Member Junta Member

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    :nod: Yup. His first 5 seasons were good ones, and it should be mentioned that his 9 years at Wyoming were the most successful in school history. Very similar to Patton's time in Boulder.
     
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    bombay Club Member Club Member

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    I remember McClain recruiting Chicago very well at Wyoming. He had a big man and a point guard from there late in his time who could have started anywhere, but I can't recall their names.
     
  22. Scotch

    Scotch Registered User Club Member Junta Member

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    Brandon Ewing was the guard I think.
     
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    bombay Club Member Club Member

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    Exactly. Great memory, and the kid was a heck of a player.
     
  24. BuffLuKe

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    I had totally forgot but I think his Wyoming team was in the Albuquerque regional that year they beat Gonzaga. Not positive on that but I went to that regional and Im pretty sure I saw his team. Anyway, I like McClain and think he would do a nice job. I just think it's smarter to interview several candidates even if ultimately McClain has the inside track. Whoever the hell gets the job, no secret on what this team needs.
     
  25. aik

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    I was at the Pit for that. FSN reality show Preps alum Jason Strait playing guard for the Cowboys. Great upset. The nightcap was Arizona fending off an upset from UCSB. New Mexico fan was calling for Lute's head all game because he had backed out of a yearly UNM-UA matchup the two schools used to have.
     
  26. BuffLuKe

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    lol I remember hearing about that from UNM fans. The Pit is a pretty cool place to watch college games. I went to a few women's regionals too with UNM's women in it. They packed the house for them, pretty damn loud in there.
     
  27. Scotch

    Scotch Registered User Club Member Junta Member

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    Ya I had to look it up. :lol:

    I went to the Mountain West tourney at the Pepsi center a few years back. Wyoming ended up making it the the tourney finals that year. Ewing just went off that weekend. Got to see him play again the next season when the 'Pokes were in Boulder. Reminded me a bit of Jaquay Walls.
     
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    I am so confused about what candidate. Any chance we get a great head coach AND keep McClain as assistant HC?
     
  29. rynobuff

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    Josh Davis was the big man... also an excellent player.
     

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