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Nice to have Klatt and CJ back on the air

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Lt.Col.FrankSlade, Nov 1, 2010.

  1. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    CJ and Klatt are bringing the Mac love today!!!

    And, while I normally can't stand Lou from Littleton, he came on the air and pumped McCartney. Joel Klatt keeps hyping McCartney to be AD - to which Lou responded (rightfully so) "He's a football coach, he doesn't want to be in charge of the swim team!"

    CJ came out and said he wants McCartney to be CU's next head coach. Interesting position to voice, given his position in the AD.
     
  2. NashBuff

    NashBuff CSU Knob-Slobberer

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    It sounds like the extreme majority of CU fans are on board with Big Mac as the next head coach. Can we now see who he might hire as the OC?

    Is it possible the OC hire would be more important than the HC hire?
     
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    CU doesnt have a swim team!!! :sad2:
     
  4. Buffsfan09

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    Do we really think a 70 year old coach who has been out of the game for well over a decade should be our next hire?? This is all crazy talk. Past success is no guarantee for future success.
     
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    Buffalo Brad Club Member Club Member

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    Used to have a decent one though! Pretty good club team if I remember correctly.
     
  6. Timbuff10

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    And then some Jackass called in wanting Logan to be the next HC while saying at the same time that EB doesn't have the experience.

    The tide of the show has turned to EB being the man though. I just hope this gets rolling more and more till it is true. I do worry that they won't let him go out and hire a quality staff which is critical for whoever comes in next and probably even more-so for EB!
     
  7. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    First of all, I don't think AGE should play any factor in the coaching decision.

    Second, I don't think his absence from coaching should be that big of a factor. The game of football runs in cycles. What is happening today is not vastly different from what was happening 25 years ago. There have not been significant rules changes that have altered the x's and o's of the game.

    Third, there are certainly no guarantees in coaching football. ANYBODY could be hired as CU's next head coach and could totally fail, or could be a marvelous success. Few people thought Rick Neuheisel was going to go 5-7 when he signed one of the best recruiting classes in the nation in February 1997. But it happened. Few people thought Gary Barnett would fall so hard after the Buffs beat Texas to win the Big 12 championship. But it happened. While there were certainly detractors when Hawkins was hired, his prior successes at Boise certainly made him look like the kind of coach who could be successful if he only took the next step; he never did. I can promise you that OU fans were very skeptical when Bob Stoops was named head coach. (The AD was concerned, too -- his first contract only paid him $700,000 per year)

    Finally - I don't think CU fans should expect ANY CU coach to make the team into a national championship contender anytime soon. But I think McCartney knows the culture of Boulder, Colorado (he still lives there) as well as the culture of the University of Colorado (that certainly hasn't changed since he left in 1994) and he knows the in's and out's of the University of Colorado athletic department (in some instances, the same people still in the AD). Those are three things that he has a significant advantage over any external (non-affiliated with CU) candidate.
     
  8. MiamiBuffs

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    I completely disagree on the culture at CU. Our last outwardly pro football President was Gordon Gee. Mac was hired under his tenure. Judith Albino ran off Marolt and hired Tharp. Chose Neuheisel because he was the cheapest option. Now she's running a community college. Betsy Hoffman walked into a sh*t storm. Benson moved the President's office out of Boulder. Thats a lot of change in culture if you ask me thats hard to keep you eye on.

    Rumor I heard at the end was Albino was harassing Mac to higher cheaper assistants. Do you think maybe he saw the writing on the wall?
     
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  9. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    My point may not have been clear. McCartney knows all that when he walks through the door of Dal Ward. He knows that's the climate at CU. He's spent the last 15 years watching CU. He's in Boulder. He's up at campus. He knows what's going on.

    What does Jim McElwain know about the internal politics of the University of Colorado? Not a ****ing thing.
     
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    Politics are a force at all schools and its the nature of the beast to learn and understand them or you will parish. Just ask Steve Pederson or Gary Barnett about having an insiders edge when they came back. To me the real question is what level of commitment to winning does the current leadership have? We had it under Gee because we had a strong AD, flexible enrollment, and success on the field. Now we seem to have a neutered AD if you believe the rumor of Benson or DiStefano blocking Bohn last year. And we clearly are not enrollment friendly like we were when Mac left. Maybe Mac could twist some of those arms? Maybe Benson or DiStefano will get behind him like Gee did? But I doubt it.

    Perhaps Bohn is waiting this time, and smartly so, so that Bruce and Phil take a little heat themselves.

    We'll see. :smile2:
     
  11. buffalo30

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    Well thought out and expressed. I got your point on the culture thing that you explained in a subsequent post. Age 70 and not directly coaching for 15 years has nothing to do with it. Coach Mac knows football. You either know football or you don't. I can't imagine that he has not remained a student of the game these past 15 years or he has forgotten what it takes to make a successful football program.
     
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    I'm going to have to disagree about the age thing. Are you telling me 17- and 18-year-old kids would rather choose a man born pre-Pearl Harbor rather than someone like Stoops, Chip Kelly, Meyer or Harbaugh? All things equal, I think the age factor goes against Mac...easily. We can't pretend it won't affect kids' choices.
     
  13. buffalo30

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    National Championships are National Championships. I guarantee you that if Vince Lombardi himself came up from the grave to coach a college football team he would have no difficulty recruiting top rated players to his program. I also think Coach Mac would be wise enough to bring in top level younger assistants who recruits can easily identify with on top of selling the National Championship theme.
     
  14. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

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    I think kids pick a school based upon (in no particular order) -

    1) they think they can win, and win big
    2) they think they can make the move to the next level (i.e. NFL)
    3) they think they can play, and play a lot
    4) they like the school (academics)
    5) they like the school (everything not academics)

    While I think age is a BIG factor if a kid can't RELATE to the head coach, I doubt many players have any idea how old their head coaches are. Most football players have their closest relationships with their position coaches, anyway.
     
  15. azbuff

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    Gotta laugh at anyone who says Mac can't relate to "kids these days." Have you heard the man speak? I'm not much past college, and I'd certainly get after it for this guy.

    As far as Xs and Os go, I don't really know. I wasn't old enough to pay attention to that when Mac was here, but it seems like his coordinators were doing most of the game-planning? Hopefully he would be willing to take an undermarket salary in order for CU to hire the best OC and DC for the job. Doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

    Because I'm a lawyer, I'll make this analogy: one of the best and most experienced litigators in the country retires from your firm. he's a name partner, the guy on the sign. your firm goes to ****. he wants to come back fifteen years later. sure the law has changed a bit, but do you want him back knowing his intelligence has not diminished? I say yes.
     
  16. Dorn09

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    The only way I hire Mac is if we have the coach in waiting and clearly defined (EB).
     
  17. FlatironsBuff

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    And success anywhere else is no guarantee of success at CU. So which is a bigger roll of the dice? Someone who might be able to do the job here, or someone who already has done the job here before at a level that nobody else was able to do it at. And loves the area and team as much as anyone ever has. I will roll those dice, thank you very much.
     
  18. buffsyko

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    Okay, name the coach that will guarantee success at CU....
     
  19. HornBuff

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    Agree. I don't think players are looking to be buddies with thier HC. I doubt they care much about "relating" vs. winning. Respect is a much bigger factor than "relating" in this business, i would bet.
     
  20. BuffFan

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    Hiring Mac is no guarantee of success either. I was a student during the Mac years and think he is great, but 17 years out of coaching is no small thing. In football, 17 years is another era. Mac has the passion to coach, but the big question is, can he adapt to the modern game? The game has changed, the speed of the game has changed, recruiting has changed, the culture has changed… Les Miles or Mike Beloti are more in tune with the modern game and more relevant to young athletes. Our fastest road to success is thru recruiting, and someone like Les Miles will be more effective, at least in the immediate future. If we can’t hire a big name HC then Mac is an interesting option, but only if he has the right staff with him. The offences Mac coached are not really used successfully anymore (top 25?). So his OC and DC need to be relevant and experienced for Mac to be successful.
     
  21. BuffLuKe

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    I dont know how long Dick Vermiel (sp?) was out of coaching but he came back and won a Super Bowl. If anyone would be emotially, physically, and mentally ready, I think Mac would be. He isnt my first choice but I wouldnt be opposed either. X's and O's are very overrated. He could still recruit, read his book. I dont know how many he has, just know the one Ive read. As a dad, Mac is the type of man Id send my son to and be comfortable.
     

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