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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025
ahoelsken
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Best case scenario for CU is a B1G invite.
I don't think adding the Texas leftovers (ideally we do it without Baylor) does much for the league, but I think it helps CU if we're stuck in the Pac. The more games we get in that state, the better off we are.
I do think we're bound to partner with the B1G and ACC in some way, shape, or form on media rights and scheduling as a counter.
I don't think adding the Texas leftovers (ideally we do it without Baylor) does much for the league, but I think it helps CU if we're stuck in the Pac. The more games we get in that state, the better off we are.
I do think we're bound to partner with the B1G and ACC in some way, shape, or form on media rights and scheduling as a counter.
SIAP:
www.espn.com
As the rest of the power brokers in college athletics monitor the unfolding story of Oklahoma and Texas inching closer to possible membership in the SEC, new Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff told ESPN on Friday that his conference isn't actively seeking new members but is open to discussions with potential candidates.
"I consider the Pac-12 an exclusive club with a high barrier to entry," Kliavkoff said. "We love the schools and teams we have today. We're not actively seeking to poach any teams from any conference, but we'd be foolish not to listen if schools call us."
Pac-12 not seeking new schools, but would listen
In the wake of conference realignment rumors swirling around the SEC and Big 12, Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff says his conference is not looking to add new members but would be "foolish" not to listen to any interested schools.
As the rest of the power brokers in college athletics monitor the unfolding story of Oklahoma and Texas inching closer to possible membership in the SEC, new Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff told ESPN on Friday that his conference isn't actively seeking new members but is open to discussions with potential candidates.
"I consider the Pac-12 an exclusive club with a high barrier to entry," Kliavkoff said. "We love the schools and teams we have today. We're not actively seeking to poach any teams from any conference, but we'd be foolish not to listen if schools call us."
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
We're a lot better about how we use our OOC slots than they are.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
I see about 55 million really good reasons to make that move if there's an opportunity to do it.
I disagree there as the global fan will just watch the NFL as it's a higher level and far easier to follow. Explaining the nature of college football to an international fan isn't easy and if you are purely looking at the on-field product, the NFL is better than CFB. CFB very much is a niche sport outside the US as it just takes too much of an effort to understand it. And please trust me that I am speaking from experience there.
Where I do agree is that TV markets don't matter anymore and it's all about selling the product, where football wins are the key. Unfortunately, that's where CU falls woefully short.
The P12 is in deep ****. Arguably the weakest of the P5, they just saw the other weak P5 just get blown up. OU/UT leaving guts the B12.
Now the madcap scramble ensues. If the B1G expands to 16, which I think they will, they could really take a bite out of the P12. Scooping KU and ISU make sense. If they do, the P12 has to take some combo of Okie Lite, KSU, TT, TCU, SMU, UH or bailer to get to 16. None of those move the needle. Sure, they add some big TV markets, but most eyes in those big markets are watching OU, UT, aTm and don't give a rip about SMU, TCU, TT etc.
Even if P12 grabs KU, which really, only adds MBB unless you want at least one team added CU could likely beat regularly in FB, you still aren't adding much. Bottom line, if it is everyone for themselves, the B1G, while a poor cultural fit and crappy roadies, is a better place for CU to land.
The question is, will the B1G want CU? If so, who else do they take with? KU? Maybe. MU? I doubt they leave the land of milk and honey. All the other options of TT, Okie Lite, UH, TCU, SMU, etc. are not going to be options for the B1G because they lack academic prowess, and in some instances, reading skills.
This is bad for the P12 and potentially catastrophic for CU.
If SC or Oregon bails on the P12, might as well get ready to join the Mtn. Weenie in a super conference of midgets.
B1G would be better than being in a division with UA, ASU, and Utah in addition to four new members.
B1G West: CU, ISU/KU, Nubs, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Northwestern.
Play two of the B1G East every season too.
fify.All I care about is CU having a Top 20 program. Don’t give a **** if it is in PAC or BIG. I think I have set myself up for perpetual disappointment.
Gotta think SC and Oregon are very nervous at this point.
If by nervous, you mean working the phones to explore their options, then yes.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Just heard McMurphy with Lindahl and Justin Adams on altitude. He thinks the Pac 12 is fine. Probably remains the weakest power conference of the bunch, but theres a seat at the table for this league.
Are you ****ing nuts? Ann Arbor is as good if not a better college town than Boulder... and that's saying something.
Maybe, but only if the P12 hangs on to all members. Lose an SC, Oregon, UW or fUCLA, or worse yet, two of them, and it is over.
The P12, as currently, constituted, will have a seat at he table, no doubt, it will just be a booster seat. The CFP beagan in 2015. From 2015-2021 the P12 has placed a grand total of two teams, Oregon in 2015 and UW in 2017, in the CFP. The B12 has 4, the ACC 7, ND has 2 appearances, the B1G 5 and the $EC has all the rest 8.
Oh yeah. CFB will never truly be global. In the past though, if you wanted people to be able to watch your team, you had to force your way into local broadcasting and the best way to do that was to have a team in that regional market. Hence past expansion.
Now though, if you want people to watch your team, all ya gotta do is stream, either on your own or through ESPN, etc…. As the media rights are renegotiated over the next few years it’s not going to matter how many TVs support yourself service. What’s going to matter is the quality of your product and how many subscriptions your product will drive.
General CFB fans will subscribe to a service because of the SEC and B1G. The pac is never going to get to that level. We’re starting too far behind, but we need to be thinking of what needs to be done to get more than just pac school fans to want to watch pac product.
KDBuff
Well-Known Member
No way.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Sure-but its probably in the best interest of both leagues to work together when Texas and OU do make this move. This is kind of what I'm talking about-
1. I think we probably need to both be at the same number of members-The B1G could grab KU/ISU if they want, but I don't think they have to do anything. The Pac goes to 14 at a minimum-I don't see a scenario where Texas Tech's not a part of this, and they'd accept an invite from the Pac 12 right now if one came. That gets us into Texas and probably benefits CU because there are a lot of Red Raider alums in Dallas. If I'm GK, I at least try and pitch A&M. They're probably stuck-but the phone call can't hurt.
2. We both drop to 8 league games and play a game against somebody else from the other league-with any games already scheduled (CU-Nebraska, CU-Northwestern, Ohio State-Washington) not being affected.
Didn't even know anything was going on until I saw this thread during lunch today. Trying to get caught up.
Funny to me that we had so much talk on AB about the B12 being so great but wanting nothing to do with UT. All of a sudden, everyone in the B12 besides OU & UT is trash.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Several things here-
1. The "Oh my god, we won't be able to recruit" argument is not a reason to tell the Big 10 no. Trust RG here-he scheduled SMU, North Texas, Houston, TCU, and Oklahoma State for a reason.
2. Stability is a factor here-if the B1G invites us, we will never have to stress out about conference realignment again.
3. The Nebraska rivalry is a reason to make the move, not a reason not to. We don't have anything close to that in the Pac 12 and probably won't ever at least in my lifetime.
What about as the horse?